Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?

[snell]

I'm still trying to find a useable load for the 45/70 and came across the Barnes "original" 300 grain flat nose.I'm not crazy about the idea of using a HP on deer so this bullet caught my attention. Has anyone used this bullet on game and is it suitable for125-150 lb deer? Thanks,

Art

[JEBar]

for 300 gr hunting bullets we use Nosler's Ballistic Silvertips .... https://www.nosler.com/45-70-govt-strong-actions-only

for 400 gr hunting bullets we use Barnes Buster bullets .... https://www.barnesbullets.com/product/4 ... 70-per-50/

for 500 gr hunting bullets we use Acme Bullets .... http://www.acmebullet.com/bullets-reloa ... uct_id=446


I have no direct experience with Barnes 300 gr bullets but based on using their 400 grain'ers, I tend to believe they would be excellent bullets

[Squatch]

Most of the Barnes bullets are solid copper. Built as hunting bullets from the ground up.

I don't hunt these days but they have a good rep. Spendy buggers.

[Sgt Recoil]

I can't see the Barnes 300gr bullet from a 45/70 being or having much different ballistics from the Barnes 300gr TMZ. fired with a 100-150gr charge.
Velocities are in and around the same.

.458 TSX
Length- 1.048"
SD - .204
BC - .163
.451 TMZ
Length- 1.036"
SD - .211
BC - .207

[tarbe]

snell

That bullet was designed with deer and similar critters in mind, impacting at typical 45-70 velocities of 1,500 to 1,800 fps.

So it will be great!

And, Semper Fi fellow Leatherneck!


Tim

[snell]

Thanks Tim, it doesn't recoil all that bad and it seems to be grouping well with IMR 4198. I'm getting more copper fouling then I care for but that's what solvent us for
Semper Fi!

[tarbe]

What weight of IMR 4198 are you using? Around 40 to 42 grains?

[JEBar]

What weight of IMR 4198 are you using? Around 40 to 42 grains?

for hunting level ammo we are pushing our 300 gr Noslers with 51.5 gr of IMR 4198

[tarbe]

Wow, that's a smoking load.

I never went that high except in a Ruger No. 1!

[JEBar]

Wow, that's a smoking load.

I never went that high except in a Ruger No. 1!

that is the max load for "Strong Action" rifles like the Marlin Model 1895 as shown in Nosler's #7 Manual .... Henry builds their rifles to that standard .... in the last year, we've run well over a hundred through our Henry CCH 45-70 and they perform well

[snell]

Awhile back I sent an inquiry to Henry and was told our rifles could handle any load considered safe in the modern Marlins. Barnes tech data page shows a starting load of 49.5 gr IMR 4198 at about 2254 fps and a max load of 53.5 gr of the same powder at about 2428 fps. I'm using 47.0 and my Chrony shows 2050 6 ft from the muzzle.

[JEBar]

Awhile back I sent an inquiry to Henry and was told our rifles could handle any load considered safe in the modern Marlins. Barnes tech data page shows a starting load of 49.5 gr IMR 4198 at about 2254 fps and a max load of 53.5 gr of the same powder at about 2428 fps. I'm using 47.0 and my Chrony shows 2050 6 ft from the muzzle.

that's pretty close to what Nosler recommends .... we've found their 300 gr bullets do really well in our Henry .... I tend to believe the same would be true for bullets made by Barnes

[tarbe]

Wow, that's a smoking load.

I never went that high except in a Ruger No. 1!

that is the max load for "Strong Action" rifles like the Marlin Model 1895 as shown in Nosler's #7 Manual .... Henry builds their rifles to that standard .... in the last year, we've run well over a hundred through our Henry CCH 45-70 and they perform well

I am jealous that you have a stash of the 300gr Nosler!

I have Hornady and Remington 300gr HP and the Nosler BT 300gr (and some 350gr Hornady). I would not want to push my soft 300gr that fast. I fear they would "bomb" on a deer!

[JEBar]

I am jealous that you have a stash of the 300gr Nosler!

I have Hornady and Remington 300gr HP and the Nosler BT 300gr (and some 350gr Hornady). I would not want to push my soft 300gr that fast. I fear they would "bomb" on a deer!

a while back I got lucky and came across a sale on Nosler 300 gr 45-70 bullets ===> http://henryrifleforums.com/viewtopic.p ... nds#p46014 <=== that is the second time I've done so and I do try to stock up .... I haven't downed any deer with them and am looking forward to doing so .... I have seen plenty of high speed 30 caliber bullets take deer with a rather violent impace