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Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?
Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?
I'm still trying to find a useable load for the 45/70 and came across the Barnes "original" 300 grain flat nose.I'm not crazy about the idea of using a HP on deer so this bullet caught my attention. Has anyone used this bullet on game and is it suitable for125-150 lb deer? Thanks,
Art
Art
USMC 63-66, ACPD 1968-2006 Currently working on my Henry collection. H006, H010 and a H004. Hopefully more to come.
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Re: Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?
for 300 gr hunting bullets we use Nosler's Ballistic Silvertips .... https://www.nosler.com/45-70-govt-strong-actions-only
for 400 gr hunting bullets we use Barnes Buster bullets .... https://www.barnesbullets.com/product/4 ... 70-per-50/
for 500 gr hunting bullets we use Acme Bullets .... http://www.acmebullet.com/bullets-reloa ... uct_id=446
I have no direct experience with Barnes 300 gr bullets but based on using their 400 grain'ers, I tend to believe they would be excellent bullets
for 400 gr hunting bullets we use Barnes Buster bullets .... https://www.barnesbullets.com/product/4 ... 70-per-50/
for 500 gr hunting bullets we use Acme Bullets .... http://www.acmebullet.com/bullets-reloa ... uct_id=446
I have no direct experience with Barnes 300 gr bullets but based on using their 400 grain'ers, I tend to believe they would be excellent bullets
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Re: Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?
Most of the Barnes bullets are solid copper. Built as hunting bullets from the ground up.
I don't hunt these days but they have a good rep. Spendy buggers.
I don't hunt these days but they have a good rep. Spendy buggers.
Any load data discussed by me is for entertainment purposes only. I can not condone or be responsible for it's use by others.
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Re: Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?
I can't see the Barnes 300gr bullet from a 45/70 being or having much different ballistics from the Barnes 300gr TMZ. fired with a 100-150gr charge.
Velocities are in and around the same.
.458 TSX
Length- 1.048"
SD - .204
BC - .163
.451 TMZ
Length- 1.036"
SD - .211
BC - .207
Velocities are in and around the same.
.458 TSX
Length- 1.048"
SD - .204
BC - .163
.451 TMZ
Length- 1.036"
SD - .211
BC - .207
H010 45/70, Henry brass H009B 30/30,Henry steel H009 30/30 w/ peep sight, Henry G.B. H004 22LR, Winchester model 88/308, Win '94 30/30; Win '94 Trapper 30/30 and a Winchester 1894 Alberta Diamond Jubilee Commemorative in 38/55.
Re: Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?
snell
That bullet was designed with deer and similar critters in mind, impacting at typical 45-70 velocities of 1,500 to 1,800 fps.
So it will be great!
And, Semper Fi fellow Leatherneck!
Tim
That bullet was designed with deer and similar critters in mind, impacting at typical 45-70 velocities of 1,500 to 1,800 fps.
So it will be great!
And, Semper Fi fellow Leatherneck!
Tim
USMC 1976 - 1980 0351
Henry H010
Henry H010CC
Savage M99 308 (born in '57 like me!)
Browning M53 32-20
336 30-30
No 1 300 H&H
No 1 375 H&H
1895 30-40 Krag
Ruger American 308
Several Nasty Black Rifles
Henry H010
Henry H010CC
Savage M99 308 (born in '57 like me!)
Browning M53 32-20
336 30-30
No 1 300 H&H
No 1 375 H&H
1895 30-40 Krag
Ruger American 308
Several Nasty Black Rifles
Re: Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?
Thanks Tim, it doesn't recoil all that bad and it seems to be grouping well with IMR 4198. I'm getting more copper fouling then I care for but that's what solvent us for 
Semper Fi!
Semper Fi!
USMC 63-66, ACPD 1968-2006 Currently working on my Henry collection. H006, H010 and a H004. Hopefully more to come.
Re: Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?
What weight of IMR 4198 are you using? Around 40 to 42 grains?
USMC 1976 - 1980 0351
Henry H010
Henry H010CC
Savage M99 308 (born in '57 like me!)
Browning M53 32-20
336 30-30
No 1 300 H&H
No 1 375 H&H
1895 30-40 Krag
Ruger American 308
Several Nasty Black Rifles
Henry H010
Henry H010CC
Savage M99 308 (born in '57 like me!)
Browning M53 32-20
336 30-30
No 1 300 H&H
No 1 375 H&H
1895 30-40 Krag
Ruger American 308
Several Nasty Black Rifles
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Re: Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?
tarbe wrote:What weight of IMR 4198 are you using? Around 40 to 42 grains?
for hunting level ammo we are pushing our 300 gr Noslers with 51.5 gr of IMR 4198
Re: Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?
Wow, that's a smoking load.
I never went that high except in a Ruger No. 1!
I never went that high except in a Ruger No. 1!
USMC 1976 - 1980 0351
Henry H010
Henry H010CC
Savage M99 308 (born in '57 like me!)
Browning M53 32-20
336 30-30
No 1 300 H&H
No 1 375 H&H
1895 30-40 Krag
Ruger American 308
Several Nasty Black Rifles
Henry H010
Henry H010CC
Savage M99 308 (born in '57 like me!)
Browning M53 32-20
336 30-30
No 1 300 H&H
No 1 375 H&H
1895 30-40 Krag
Ruger American 308
Several Nasty Black Rifles
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Re: Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?
that is the max load for "Strong Action" rifles like the Marlin Model 1895 as shown in Nosler's #7 Manual .... Henry builds their rifles to that standard .... in the last year, we've run well over a hundred through our Henry CCH 45-70 and they perform welltarbe wrote:Wow, that's a smoking load.
I never went that high except in a Ruger No. 1!