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Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?

Post by snell » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:41 pm

I'm still trying to find a useable load for the 45/70 and came across the Barnes "original" 300 grain flat nose.I'm not crazy about the idea of using a HP on deer so this bullet caught my attention. Has anyone used this bullet on game and is it suitable for125-150 lb deer? Thanks,

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Re: Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?

Post by JEBar » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:08 pm

for 300 gr hunting bullets we use Nosler's Ballistic Silvertips .... https://www.nosler.com/45-70-govt-strong-actions-only

for 400 gr hunting bullets we use Barnes Buster bullets .... https://www.barnesbullets.com/product/4 ... 70-per-50/

for 500 gr hunting bullets we use Acme Bullets .... http://www.acmebullet.com/bullets-reloa ... uct_id=446


I have no direct experience with Barnes 300 gr bullets but based on using their 400 grain'ers, I tend to believe they would be excellent bullets

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Re: Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?

Post by Squatch » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:06 pm

Most of the Barnes bullets are solid copper. Built as hunting bullets from the ground up.

I don't hunt these days but they have a good rep. Spendy buggers.
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Re: Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?

Post by Sgt Recoil » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:30 am

I can't see the Barnes 300gr bullet from a 45/70 being or having much different ballistics from the Barnes 300gr TMZ. fired with a 100-150gr charge.
Velocities are in and around the same.

.458 TSX
Length- 1.048"
SD - .204
BC - .163
.451 TMZ
Length- 1.036"
SD - .211
BC - .207
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Re: Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?

Post by tarbe » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:46 pm

snell

That bullet was designed with deer and similar critters in mind, impacting at typical 45-70 velocities of 1,500 to 1,800 fps.

So it will be great!

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Re: Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?

Post by snell » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:01 pm

Thanks Tim, it doesn't recoil all that bad and it seems to be grouping well with IMR 4198. I'm getting more copper fouling then I care for but that's what solvent us for :-)
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Re: Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?

Post by tarbe » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:41 pm

What weight of IMR 4198 are you using? Around 40 to 42 grains?
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Re: Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?

Post by JEBar » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:24 pm

tarbe wrote:What weight of IMR 4198 are you using? Around 40 to 42 grains?

for hunting level ammo we are pushing our 300 gr Noslers with 51.5 gr of IMR 4198

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Re: Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?

Post by tarbe » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:33 pm

Wow, that's a smoking load.

I never went that high except in a Ruger No. 1!
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Re: Barnes .458" 300 grain FN on deer?

Post by JEBar » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:50 pm

tarbe wrote:Wow, that's a smoking load.

I never went that high except in a Ruger No. 1!
that is the max load for "Strong Action" rifles like the Marlin Model 1895 as shown in Nosler's #7 Manual .... Henry builds their rifles to that standard .... in the last year, we've run well over a hundred through our Henry CCH 45-70 and they perform well

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