The Most Arrogant And Condescending Post Denouncing Reloading I Have Ever Read.

[Maht_g]

I definitely save money! I shoot a few expensive rounds if you use factory Ammo. .338 lapua is $3-6 per round, I can load it for around $1... 454 casull, even .45colt is WAY cheaper than buying factory. I spend money of the tools, but have loaded thousands of rounds on the equipment, cost per round is negligible... that first post was pure ignorance...

And I enjoy it! It’s relaxing and fun to work up a load, test it, tweak it... almost as fun as the shooting, for me...

[RanchRoper]

I don't quite understand how handloads can be more accurate than factory but that's just my ignorance as a new reloader. The handloads I shot today in my range report were definitely on target.

[JEBar]

I don't quite understand how handloads can be more accurate than factory but that's just my ignorance as a new reloader. The handloads I shot today in my range report were definitely on target.

each ammo manufacture produces each of its lines to a set standard .... that standard will work for most firearms but not for all .... loading your own gives you an opportunity to fine tune your ammo to what your firearm likes best

[RanchRoper]

Well my guns really like 6.6 to 7.0 gn of Universal and a 200 gr LRNFP lead bullet with a Winchester primer. Easy on the guns, easy on the shoulder, accurate and still sends pieces of backboard flying in a hail of wood splinters.

[Mistered]

loading your own gives you an opportunity to fine tune your ammo to what your firearm likes best

Spot on.
The ability to try different powders, bullets & other components is nearly unlimited.
If you want to REALLY test your loads weigh 30 or so bullets and gather 20 that weigh the same (or as close to each other as you can)
Load these rounds with HAND WEIGHED powder charges, and make sure they are seated and all crimped equally and go shoot these in the most consistent manner you can.
You will no doubt see some pretty tight grouping but most of the time this is not needed.
The consistency of careful reloading with good a bullet/powder combo will typically result in groups dramatically tighter than factory ammo.
Also, as I have previously mentioned, the ability to load unique or custom loadings NOT available is priceless.
There is nothing even close to the 30-30 loads I make available 'off the shelf'.

[Shakey Jake]

I think it mostly depends on the caliber. 9's and 45's probably not saving much by reloading. The same can be said for .223. Reloading .327 Federal Mag, Nosler .22, or similar I'd think you'd better reload.

[Mistered]

I think it mostly depends on the caliber. 9's and 45's probably not saving much by reloading.

True but even with the cheapest ammo savings will still be about 1/3.
So by keeping components on hand and brass prepped its easy to knock out whatever I think I'll need for a shooting session and not have to drive to the store to get ammo.
Also the components are already paid for so there is the 'psychological' aspect of not having to 'pay' for ammo (per se) at the time.
With as long as I have been reloading I cannot relate to 'buying' ammo as reloading has become a consequence (as well as a convenience) to my interest in shooting.

[GaHenryFan]

Well my guns really like 6.6 to 7.0 gn of Universal and a 200 gr LRNFP lead bullet with a Winchester primer. Easy on the guns, easy on the shoulder, accurate and still sends pieces of backboard flying in a hail of wood splinters.

Universal really lives up to it's name. There are loads for it in every caliber I own. You want to talk about saving money? I can load 45-70 with universal and home cast bullets for pennies a round. Mr Arrogant obviously hasn't priced factory 45-70 lately.

[220]

You want to talk about saving money? I can load 45-70 with universal and home cast bullets for pennies a round. Mr Arrogant obviously hasn't priced factory 45-70 lately.

I think most have completely missed the point Mr Arrogant raised.
If your justification for reloading is purely economic then you need to take your labour into account.

How long did it take you to source the lead, smelt it, cast each bullet, lube it, size it then load it. All well and good if you view it as part of the hobby and have the time.
Now try justifying it for someone who earns $50/hr and is time poor. You cant tell me they are better off taking a day off work to do all that to load a box of 45/70 to save less than they make in 1hr.

[Mistered]

How long did it take you to source the lead, smelt it, cast each bullet, lube it, size it then load it.

CASTING bullets is a sub-operation of reloading, as well as an additional 'hobby' that is not embraced by all reloaders.
Quite frankly the expense, time and other considerations of casting rule it out for most reloaders and many do not want to shoot cast bullets anyway.
In short casting bullets is NOT a typical part of reloading and cannot be applied to reloading as part of a time and expense consideration.
I know this because I used to cast.

[GaHenryFan]

How long did it take you to source the lead, smelt it, cast each bullet, lube it, size it then load it.

CASTING bullets is a sub-operation of reloading, as well as an additional 'hobby' that is not embraced by all reloaders.
Quite frankly the expense, time and other considerations of casting rule it out for most reloaders and many do not want to shoot cast bullets anyway.
In short casting bullets is NOT a typical part of reloading and cannot be applied to reloading as part of a time and expense consideration.
I know this because I used to cast.

You're correct. I do it because I enjoy it. I cast in excess and give them away to my friends and we all enjoy them.

[GaHenryFan]

You want to talk about saving money? I can load 45-70 with universal and home cast bullets for pennies a round. Mr Arrogant obviously hasn't priced factory 45-70 lately.

I think most have completely missed the point Mr Arrogant raised.
If your justification for reloading is purely economic then you need to take your labour into account.

How long did it take you to source the lead, smelt it, cast each bullet, lube it, size it then load it. All well and good if you view it as part of the hobby and have the time.
Now try justifying it for someone who earns $50/hr and is time poor. You cant tell me they are better off taking a day off work to do all that to load a box of 45/70 to save less than they make in 1hr.

I don't save money reloading, but I shoot more than I could if I purchased factory ammo. I work 40 hours a week, own my home, and still have time and money to invest in my hobbies. It boils down to priorities. I see your point and his. What I'm doing works well for me, and he's pretty adamant that his works for him.

[220]

In short casting bullets is NOT a typical part of reloading and cannot be applied to reloading as part of a time and expense consideration.
I know this because I used to cast.

I have about 30 moulds, cast everything from 22-45cal so know exactly what time and costs are involved.
I can cast a better bullet slightly cheaper than I can buy commercial cast but I dont kid myself they are free.
It is no different to me saying I can shoot 10,000 factory rounds cheaper than I can reload the same number because I have 10,000 rounds payed for sitting in my ammo cupboard and if I wanted to reload the same number I would have to spend money buying components.

Shooter want to kid themselves on how much they are really saving by reloading, no one want to compare apples with apples.
Saying my bullets are free because I cast them myself doesnt make it so. No different to me saying my steak dinner was free because I cooked it myself even though I may have paid a small fortune for a prime piece of beef. I had to take time to prepare it cook it, used gas, electricity utensils etc to do so all of which have to be paid for but ignoring them all because I cooked it myself and still claiming it was free.

[Jdl447]

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[clovishound]

I have never met anyone who says they reload to save money. The people I know who do it and myself included do it because we enjoy it.

Well, I do it so that I can afford for the Pup and I to shoot as much as we do. I would not spend much more for factory ammo, but I do end up with a whole lot more ammo for the money available by reloading.

I do like the ability to tailor my ammo to needs and wants. We both like soft recoil rounds in .38 and .45 ACP.

[tarbe]

That doofus has obviously never purchased any of the big African ammo!

I can load 450 Dakota, 458 Lott, 460 Weatherby etc with 500gr Barnes X-bullets for about $1 each if you amortize the cases over 6 loads or so. I have several thousand of the X-bullets that I got on-line for 22 cents each!

Buy the same ammo in a store and it is $6-$10 per round.

So a typical big bore range session of 30 rounds saves me $150 to $270. I could never afford to shoot the big guns without handloading.

[Old School Guns]

If it were all about money I would not do a lot of things.Reloading is also a valuable skill that I hope I never “need.”

[TsavoCreek]

The guy is a self-serving, misguided ass who has so many flaws in his "argument" it boggles the mind. He probably spends 12 hours per day on his phone. Is this his hobby? Is it an expense, or is he not employable? ...

[Mistered]

The guy eventually 'went away' as he could not maintain his argument due to the overwhelming positive responses from others.
BTW Welcome to the forum from Wickiup Junction, OR.!

[CT_Shooter]

Welcome to the forum from CT, TsavoCreek. This is a very friendly forum. Thanks for joining us.

The guy is a self-serving, misguided ass who has so many flaws in his "argument" it boggles the mind. He probably spends 12 hours per day on his phone. Is this his hobby? Is it an expense, or is he not employable? ...

The guy eventually 'went away' as he could not maintain his argument due to the overwhelming positive responses from others.
BTW Welcome to the forum from Wickiup Junction, OR.!