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by dddrees » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:28 pm
ESquared wrote:dddrees wrote:ESquared wrote:I like tracking these kinds of posts, too, because what ends up being uncovered are all the trade-offs and what comes to the surface is what's really important to the buyer. Been there, done that, as have probably the rest of you. Caliber vs. receiver finish vs. wood vs. MIM vs. customer support vs. parts/service vs. ammo availability/pricing. And, now it looks like there are 3-4 rifles in the mix.
This kind of thing leads me to lots of "sleep on it" before deciding. It's when you wake up and are still torn between This and That . . .THEN it gets crazy!
Good luck and keep us posted. As you can tell, I'm absolutely no help in your decision. Just a supportive peanut gallery!
There have been times when to many trade offs end up being something that’s just not worth it to begin with. If that’s the case then that’s fine as well. I just like knowing what those details are before hand.
Absolutely! Due diligence is part of the fun, and I've learned a lot along the way during many firearm purchase decisions like this. Just wish I could be more help on this one!
All is good and thanks.Heck even just a friendly chat about a passion can be fun or even fruitful.Sometimes the best I can offer is to be a devils advocate and point out a few things that should be considered. I’ve found even that can be helpful.
Thanks.
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by ESquared » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:40 pm
I've found that the good news here is that it's not all "Henry is the only thing." Lots of different rifle brands owned by lots of the members and they're all pretty objective. RanchRoper is a prime example, especially in this case. Lots of wise people here.
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by Mags » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:52 pm
dddrees wrote:...New Original Henry
Dan, I notice in some of your responses they wander back to the New Original Henry. I think maybe your subconscious has somewhat decided for you and you are maybe slow to come to terms with your subconscious

We're with you on your journey, its interesting. No matter what you decide on, thanks for bringing us along.
Also ammo price for .44-40 is not so bad (55-60cents per round) for a centerfire.
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by dddrees » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:22 pm
Mags wrote:dddrees wrote:...New Original Henry
Dan, I notice in some of your responses they wander back to the New Original Henry. I think maybe your subconscious has somewhat decided for you and you are maybe slow to come to terms with your subconscious

We're with you on your journey, its interesting. No matter what you decide on, thanks for bringing us along.
Also ammo price for .44-40 is not so bad (55-60cents per round) for a centerfire.
Oh really, this is good news. I think I watched a video and someone mentioned it would be about a dollar a round. That certainly makes it better.
Thing is the first time I saw the gun on Hickock45 and Iraq888 videos I went WOW! Now that’s a rifle that’s just fabulous looking. Although there’s no forearm and the magazine tab or whatever has to be avoided it’s still an amazing looking gun and I have a hard time getting it out of my head. Something about that barrel and magazine that was originally one piece and extremely difficult to manufacture. Something that’s just difficult to get elsewhere.
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by dddrees » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:30 pm
ESquared wrote:I've found that the good news here is that it's not all "Henry is the only thing." Lots of different rifle brands owned by lots of the members and they're all pretty objective. RanchRoper is a prime example, especially in this case. Lots of wise people here.
No matter the forum or brand variety for good reasons that can be justified is a good thing. Many a forum where I have other passions do this as well. I maybe a big Rolex guy but I appreciate others such as Patek as well. Sorry but I’m a watch guy to a degree also. Bottom line no matter how good the brand there are a number of great brands who do various things just as well if not better. It’s an appreciation of guns or watches not just for a specific brand.
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by ESquared » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:48 pm
Well, after going back through this thread and watching most of the YouTube vid (that guy's a bit hard to take, IMO), I'm glad it's your dilemma and not mine. I'm a sucker for Color Case Hardened, but that's only the tip of this iceberg!
Good luck and keep us posted!
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by Mistered » Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:02 pm
that guy's a bit hard to take, IMO
Boring and limited vocabulary - I had to FF through it.
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by RanchRoper » Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:34 pm
Ya I was happy when it went into fast forward...
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by Mags » Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:48 pm
I skipped most of the drawn out monologue up front. Watched pieces of the disassembly until he removed the bolt pin. At that point I'd had enough monotone monologue.
Man though did I love the shine on the brass!
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by dddrees » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:01 am
ESquared wrote:Well, after going back through this thread and watching most of the YouTube vid (that guy's a bit hard to take, IMO), I'm glad it's your dilemma and not mine. I'm a sucker for Color Case Hardened, but that's only the tip of this iceberg!
Good luck and keep us posted!
Details appeal to me and he sounded fairly knowledgeable. I wasn’t expecting him to be entertaining. Besides I’m generally interested in the rifle I’m not looking to hire him as the next Reality TV Star.
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by ESquared » Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:18 am
"Officious" is the word that comes to mind. It also seemed like he had a bias against the Henry from the outset. He kept pointing out MIM parts, kept saying "they're fine if they're done correctly," but then never really weighed in on whether he thought that was the case with the Henry. And, in the end, it came down to which of the two examples were the most faithful reproduction. Fair enough, if that were one's only criteria, and still somewhat objective, but I just found his tone to be extremely condescending.
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by Mistered » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:45 am
One has to take a LOT of internet content with a grain of salt. Some of the gun reviews are factual, objective and somewhat scripted so the facts are presented clearly, quickly and the presenter speaks clearly and understandably.
Then there are those like the aforementioned where the presenter MAY Have the experience but his/her speaking and vocabulary skills are so poor it's actually difficult to discern what they are saying. He kept dwelling on some of the same issues over and over and it got irritating.
Reality being what it is MIM is a reality today and he is correct on one note - if the MIM is quality and the parts are finished correctly they are entirely satisfactory and quite frankly I did not see any problems (or poor finish) on any I saw in the video.
I definitely saw where improvements could be made and will most likely see the same when I 'finally' get around to disassembling my BBB. Heck I had LOTS on my previous Winchester Trapper I owned.
Conversely I own two Italian guns - and ASM 1851 Colt and a Euroarms .58 cal Springfield Zouave. And while hardly a comparison to a MODERN Italian gun such as the Pedersoli the externals of the 1851 are beautiful but the internals are terrible and I have already hand made several replacements due to very soft parts that simply broke. But like I said - this was an older version (Armi San Marcos) and hardly can be compared to a modern Pedersoli which have a great reputation.
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by ESquared » Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:08 pm
It looks like this just hit YouTube today. Not a lot of detail, but entertaining, in his Hickok45 kind of way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyt6jrVIsTU
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by dddrees » Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:14 pm
I’ll have to take a look at it, thanks for sharing.
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by RanchRoper » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:19 pm
Nice looking rifle.
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by ESquared » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:24 pm
I didn't watch the whole thing before I posted it here. He seems to be a huge fan. I hadn't seen the engraved version. Very nice.
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by dddrees » Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:01 pm
ESquared wrote:I didn't watch the whole thing before I posted it here. He seems to be a huge fan. I hadn't seen the engraved version. Very nice.
He is. By the way this is his second video with this same rifle. Pretty sure it’s his rifle.
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by ESquared » Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:56 pm
I saw that it said "Part 2," so I'll have to search out Part 1. Interesting, too, that he actually bought one, as he's not known for being a Henry fan, at least based on the other reviews I've seen him do. He might just be a convert.
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by ESquared » Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:13 pm
Maybe you all have uncovered this already, but here's a GunJoker listing on this topic:
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/781321874
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by CT_Shooter » Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:22 pm
ESquared wrote:I saw that it said "Part 2," so I'll have to search out Part 1. Interesting, too, that he actually bought one, as he's not known for being a Henry fan, at least based on the other reviews I've seen him do. He might just be a convert.
I could be wrong, but I think he said he personally selected it for a role he would play in a zombie movie. He implied that he owns it (another perk for being Hickok45, internet star) and admires it as a well made replica of the legendary Henry original. I enjoyed watching the video; I doubt I'll ever see the movie.
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