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Re: Back to the mothership

Post by BigAl52 » Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:43 am

5shot wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2024 10:22 pm
Thanks folks! Still waiting for warranty claim to be approved. If memory serves me correctly, a couple years ago it was simply a matter of talking to the nice lady in Rice Lake and shortly thereafter a shipping label appeared in the e-mail. Now it's filling out a form and reading..."Warranty claims are processed in the order they are received." Maybe Monday.

I have a buddy that does gun shows frequently and I'll be sharing a table with him next month but there's no way I could peddle this without full disclosure. I'm all too familiar with the roller coaster ride of going from "New gun buzz" to "Major league letdown."

parson 48. If they send this rifle back shooting the way it left I'll probably jump ship as a Henry fanboy (geriatric version :lol:) and look at a Ruger/ Marlin or the new Smith. I much prefer Henry's safety setup to a crossbolt though.
Im pretty sure you will anyway but check out the new Ruger Marlin at the show 5Shot. Id buy one they are nice
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Re: Back to the mothership

Post by leverjc » Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:23 am

Henry should have someone else make their barrels. I have bought two Henry's and had a total of six different barrels. They finally got the one on my Frontier good, but after refunding the purchase price and sending me a new BBS in .357 it still would not group well. I used the refund to have a Shilen barrel put on it. Shoots great now. Good Luck.

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Re: Back to the mothership

Post by Redthies » Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:09 pm

This is disappointing to hear, as I was going to send my .44mag in for a re-barrel as it’s all over the place too (1:40 twist), but if the new barrels are that bad, I might just sell the damn thing…
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Re: Back to the mothership

Post by Redthies » Sun Feb 25, 2024 11:06 am

I spent a few hours scanning the gun sales websites. Aside from anew Marlin 1894, there is nothing I want. Maybe I’ll try some of the other hand loads and basic factory ammo I have and see if any of them shoot better. I really want to shoot copper out of it, but if it’s a cheap date, I can go that way too.
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Re: Back to the mothership

Post by Richd » Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:21 pm

I have a Marlin SBL in .44 mag and ran into the same problem. I reload and had to use .431 bullet diameter I think is the size. I found some lead ammo keyholes. I use jacketed soft point 240 gr. I’ve also seen a friends Henry 45-70 key hole with some ammunition. Not sure why they bore the barrels on the large end of the specification.

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Re: Back to the mothership

Post by Redthies » Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:08 pm

How old is your SBL? I’m actually looking at a 70s era JM 1894 in .44 Mag. I wonder if .44 is just a crap cartridge for rifles, cause it sounds like nobody does it well…
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Re: Back to the mothership

Post by parson48 » Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:31 am

Redthies wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:08 pm
How old is your SBL? I’m actually looking at a 70s era JM 1894 in .44 Mag. I wonder if .44 is just a crap cartridge for rifles, cause it sounds like nobody does it well…
I'm wondering the same about the 44 mag in a rifle. Even though I had a CVA single shot, years ago, that shot them pretty well.

If Henry would replace mine with a 357, or 36 Buckkammer, I'd certainly accept that! :D

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Re: Back to the mothership

Post by Richd » Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:43 pm

It’s 3 or 4 years old. I’m not sure why the make them to the wide end of the spectrum. WWB 44 mag is fine. It likes 240 gr JSP.

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Re: Back to the mothership

Post by Redthies » Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:05 am

I’m going to hit the range and run some 240 grain Federals through mine and see what it does…

Once the snow stops that is :roll:
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Re: Back to the mothership

Post by Hatchdog » Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:27 am

Redthies wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:08 pm
How old is your SBL? I’m actually looking at a 70s era JM 1894 in .44 Mag. I wonder if .44 is just a crap cartridge for rifles, cause it sounds like nobody does it well…
I used to have a Marlin in 44 mag and it shot lights out with my reloads using the Hornady 240 XTP-HP. 44 mag shoots great in most rifles it just seems like the Henrys have a problem. Saw a 44mag Big Boy X for sale here locally and my first thought was Big Boy in any other caliber but 44.

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Re: Back to the mothership

Post by Redthies » Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:43 am

Tom Kotz has stepped up and says he will personally expedite shipping a barrel if there isn’t one at the Arctic warranty depot. I got a bit of a “sure, we’ll look after you” previously, and I’m sure they would have, but by writing Anthony, it seems to have lit a fire….
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Re: Back to the mothership

Post by Redthies » Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:46 am

Barrel is in stock. They say a 5-10 day turnaround. I guess it’s go-time…
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BBSC .44 Magnum with Skinners
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Re: Back to the mothership

Post by BigAl52 » Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:50 am

Good luck Red. I hope the new barrel fixes your problems
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Re: Back to the mothership

Post by Vaquero » Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:50 am

Good luck Red. What Al said.

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Re: Back to the mothership

Post by Hatchdog » Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:55 am

Yep, looking forward to positive results.

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Re: Back to the mothership

Post by Redthies » Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:09 am

Well, “The Saga Continues “. Turns out Tom was paying attention and the part number quoted by the Canadian guy was wrong, so he doesn’t have the correct barrel. Tom has had a correct barrel, along with mag tube and retainer sent priority courier. He said he’d feel better if Henry sent “a matched set”. I Sid he would feel even better still if he sent a matching receiver and furniture along too. He didn’t comment on that. Some people have no sense of humor.😂🤣😂

So I won’t ship until the warranty depot has the parts in hand. I’m nervous it may be problematic like some other recent .44s, but it doesn’t group now, so I don’t have much to lose I guess.
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BBSC .357 w Skinner Express & Patridge
BBSC .44 Magnum with Skinners
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Re: Back to the mothership

Post by leverjc » Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:02 pm

A matched set? I would think that massed produced parts should fit or at least a good tech could make them fit. Oh well if they had good QC the original barrel would have been good. Uhggg

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Re: Back to the mothership

Post by Redthies » Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:55 pm

leverjc wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:02 pm
A matched set? I would think that massed produced parts should fit or at least a good tech could make them fit. Oh well if they had good QC the original barrel would have been good. Uhggg
The original barrel is fine, if 1:38 twist were proper for .44 Mag. It’s not. SAAMI spec is 1:20. By matched set, I think he means sending ALL the parts needed in one pack so there is no issue with one thing not fitting the other. Mine is the original style, and parts have been “updated” since.
SGC .22 LR Stripped and oiled up
BBSC .357 w Skinner Express & Patridge
BBSC .44 Magnum with Skinners
Marlin 1895GS .45-70 w RPP Cloverleaf
Marlin 336BL .30-30 w Skinner LoPro 2 and Sig 2-7x
1912 Winchester 1894 .30 WCF

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Re: Back to the mothership

Post by 5shot » Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:55 pm

Going to the range tomorrow.
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Re: Back to the mothership... Part two.

Post by 5shot » Thu Mar 07, 2024 9:58 pm

Well, the new barrel is either twice as good or half as bad as the old one. I was struggling with clearly seeing the red dot in the bright sun today so these groups would have been tighter with a scope. But at 50 yards it was shooting round sub 2" groups without the maddening flyers. With a low power scope and a little load development I think this rifle will be just fine for deepwoods deer hunting and I plan to keep it.

Top load is the 310 gr. Lee at 1440 fps, next is 260 gr. Lyman hollow point in .44 spl. brass at 1354 fps avg. and bottom is 240 XTP at 1582 fps. None of those would bounce off a whitetail inside of 100 yards and the Lee would probably shoot through two deer. The standard deviation on the 310 Lee load was 5.4 fps! With a scope and a little tinkering I think the X will prove to be a consistent 1" to 1 1/2" 50 yard performer and that is all I reasonably expect from it. I'm getting to the point of being a little too old and creaky to be climbing lofty tree stands but if I do the chance of scratching the stock won't be a concern. :D
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