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44 Mag vs 45-70

Post by JEBar » Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:33 pm

several friends have asked why anyone would want both a Henry 44 Mag and a 45-70 .. :?: .. to me the best answer because we wanted them .... over time I've learned to expect a followup question along the lines of --- Why? .... in thinking about it, while physically they are very similar, in capability they are very different firearms .... I know some folks will disagree but to us the gap between them is on par with the gap between a 22 and 44 .... in looking at each, commonly firing bullets from 180 to 240 grains the 44 Mag is a very capable 100+ yard big game (note I didn't say dangerous) hunting caliber .... from deer/bear/boar hunting with a 44 Mag since the mid 1960's, I have never seen one of them fight off a 240 grain JHP …. in addition, a light loaded 44 Mag is truly a fun caliber to shoot .... in a single session we can and do fire hundreds of rounds of 240 grain lead bullets with a muzzle velocity of 1050 FPS when pushed by 7.2 grains of Bullseye .... also, full power hunting loads fired from a Henry can't be classified as punishing …. as with most calibers, we do find reloading 44's to be reasonably economical .... with a 45-70, everything from bullet size, impact, recoil, and cost is higher/larger …. being rated for all of Africa's Big 6, the capability of a well placed bullet from a 45-70 to take any land animal on our planet is without question .... it fires bullets ranging from 300 to well over 400 grains, our favorite is 405 .... its recoil with Cowboy Action level ammo is considerably more than a full power 44 Mag but that isn't to say it is punishing .... the recoil from full power dangerous game loads significant .... in a hunting setting I don't see it as a problem but I wouldn't want to sit at a bench and shoot very many at a session .... with the elevation in bullet weight and powder requirements, it does cost more to reload for a 45-70 .... for our use, our 44 Mag leans more toward recreational paper punching and our use for our 45-70 leans more toward big game hunting .... if we could only have one it would probably be a 45-70 because there is nothing a 44 Mag can do that a 45-70 can't take to the next level .... and lastly, as a point of preference, we do enjoy being able to say we do have an “Elephant Gun” that we actually shoot … :D

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Post by biglever » Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:38 pm

What left is there to say, except enjoy.

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Re: 44 Mag vs 45-70

Post by CT_Shooter » Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:41 pm

Well constructed analysis, JEBar. Thanks. I'm pretty sure I will never own either of these calibers, let alone hunt elephants. Heck! I'm still looking forward to my first Squirrel hunt! Nonetheless, I do enjoy reading about firearms and helpful explanations like this one.
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Re: 44 Mag vs 45-70

Post by JEBar » Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:47 pm

CT_Shooter wrote:Well constructed analysis, JEBar. Thanks. I'm pretty sure I will never own either of these calibers, let alone hunt elephants. Heck! I'm still looking forward to my first Squirrel hunt! Nonetheless, I do enjoy reading about firearms and helpful explanations like this one.

kind words appreciated .... the chances are next to none or even less that I will ever look through the Nikon on our 45-70 and see any of Africa's Big Six .... while I'd really like to do so, the reality is, the chances aren't much higher of me seeing a grizzly, Kodiak, big brown or other such dangerous bear .... .... so, I don't have a true "need" for that level of rifle ....that's where the "want" comes in .. ;)

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Post by biglever » Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:52 pm

I've heard squirrel and elephants taste a lot alike.

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Re: 44 Mag vs 45-70

Post by CT_Shooter » Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:55 pm

biglever wrote:I've heard squirrel and elephants taste a lot alike.
I've heard that, too; they both taste a bit like chicken. :D
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Post by Supaduke » Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:34 pm

The best thing about my 45-70 is the way it puts a stupid grin on my face every time I go to load it. The rounds are gigantic and make everything else on the shooting bench just look anaemic. The very satisfying boom when you fire, then the huge empty case being cycled out, all makes for a very visceral experience.
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Re: 44 Mag vs 45-70

Post by JCN » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:14 pm

I really enjoyed this post. I've been tempted to buy both calibers, but haven't decided on which one first. I think if Henry came out with an all weather 44 mag I'd be the first one in line. If not, the 45-70 might be the winner.
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Re: 44 Mag vs 45-70

Post by BigAl52 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:31 pm

Wait You left out one point. The 45-70 is easier to handle because of the size. I dont have a 44 mag but I have a 41 and a 45 colt. Today I just couldnt stand it any longer I bought a 45-70 CCH. So Im guilty of why would you want a 45-70 and a 45 colt question. Simple I just wanted one. Al
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Re: 44 Mag vs 45-70

Post by biglever » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:50 pm

Well I don't have a 44.
But I do have a 45-70 and the 450m marlin
Which is a 45-70 on steroids.

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Post by Frank V » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:50 pm

Why would anyone want a .44 Mag. & a .45-70?
Ok first answer is because I want them both. Other than that is that the .44 Mag is well suited for smaller medium game & the .45-70 is very well suited for larger & in some cases dangerous game. Using the same action for all hunting has certain merits familiar with the same style action. Heck just wanting them is enough? ;)

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Re: 44 Mag vs 45-70

Post by JEBar » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:49 pm

Frank V wrote:Heck just wanting them is enough? ;)
amen .... :D

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Re: 44 Mag vs 45-70

Post by Steve51 » Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:16 am

I have Henry's in both of these calibers, enjoy them greatly, and also reload for them BUT I have one great big disappointment - the state of Illinois does not allow them to be used for deer hunting.

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Re: 44 Mag vs 45-70

Post by arky » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:51 am

I I were going to have just one, it would be the 45/70. You can load it to suit yourself or the occasion. Mine is the Marlin 1895G. It is a small easy to handle gun that I have added a ghost ring sight to. It is fun to plink with and hunt with. I have no need for a 44. However I do love my Henry in 41 mag! If you have the 45/70 and the .41 you really don't need a 44. That said, I do enjoy shooting my Son-in-law's BB in 44 mag.

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Re: 44 Mag vs 45-70

Post by RanchRoper » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:29 pm

I'm really looking forward to the 45 Colt 1860 original. Can't wait to own it. Should be an awesome shooter, and capable critter protection.
But you're not kidding when you say that 45-70 bullet is a monster.

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Re: 44 Mag vs 45-70

Post by Frank V » Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:01 pm

That .459 405 +gr bullet makes quite a commotion when it lands too!!!! :lol:

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Re: 44 Mag vs 45-70

Post by Catherine » Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:47 am

They are different calibers and if you want both of them... I say, "Go for it!" Use them for hunting, self defense, competition or plinking.

My husband hunted in a different location on Sunday. He switched from his older 30-06 bolt action rifle to his Marlin Classic 45-70 lever action (Not a Henry but he still may get one in a Henry.) for that day due to the terrain. Both and other locations where he hunts are in BIG black bear and grizzly bear areas.

He hunts in different terrains and they exist on this side of the Continental Divide.

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Re: 44 Mag vs 45-70

Post by biglever » Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:47 am

In bear country theres no such thing as to much gun.

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Re: 44 Mag vs 45-70

Post by 1911ly » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:17 am

A fellow double dipper here. I have both too. The steel 45-70 and a brass Big Boy in 44mag. Now I am thinking I need a brass 45-70 and a steel Big Boy!

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