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[BigAl52]

Daystate is one I wanted for sure but they are pricey. I thought you had more than one PCP NCG. This where I was before I bought the HW-95. I hit a road block when it came to the filling of the PCP. Seemed like just more than I wanted to deal with.

[North Country Gal]

We have the Benjamin Disco and the Steyr Olympic free pistol, but, as I mentioned, those I can pump. The Daystate is the headache as far as filling.

Dive shops have their own compressors, but those make the compressors that PCP shooters use look like toys. Huge up front investment that they partially recover by filling tanks for local divers. Yes, they have to remove water to safely fill scuba tanks for actual scuba use. Note that dive shops may or may not fill tanks for air gun shooters. It's at their discretion. You need to check ahead of time with the dive shop.

Some local fire stations can also fill tanks, but it varies widely. Helps to know someone.

This dependency on others to shoot PCPs is why so many PCP shooters have decided to get their own compressors, but compressors need regular maintenance and the durability of some of these compressors being marketed for PCP shooters is not the best. Most are made in China.

Oh, yeah, just being able to grab a spring piston gun and go shoot as long as you want, no worries about running out of air, no pumping needed ... is nice. Springers are, by far, the most numerous and most used guns in our collection.

[BigAl52]

I think I checked with my local scuba shop and they would fill the tank for 15.00. But they also wanted me to buy a used tank from them to do it and I dont remember the price it was for that.

[fortyshooter]

Tempted to get my air rifles out again and take them down to the range after it warms up into the 50's again....35 degrees out with a wind this afternoon. See if I can hit the 80 yd gong with one of them. All but one is a springer and in .22 25 and .30 caliber.

[BigAl52]

Hey Forty how do you like the 25 caliber.

[fortyshooter]

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Hey Forty how do you like the 25 caliber.
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The Hatsan 25 cal Sniper is a good mix of accuracy and power. The big and heavy Hatsan .30 cal Carnivore is a beast to cock and shoot with a 50 gr. .30 cal pellet going a sleepy 650 FPS but hits with a thud. Takes about 60 lbs. of arm torque to break the barrel and cock it. Not an all day shooter!

For fun plinking my .22 cal springer Disco I think it is is really fun and packs a good punch too.
The .30 is on top followed by the .25 cal Hatsan Sinper and then down to the .22

[BigAl52]

Nice collection there Forty. I was contemplating an HW97 in 25 cal but I may stick with 22 cal to stay with one caliber of pellet.

[North Country Gal]

Nice collection, forty. We're strictly target shooters, so most of our air guns are 177, which, of course, is the caliber used in almost all air gun competition. We do gave a few 22s and, of course, 20s with our Sheridans. 25s are interesting and if I planned to do any hunting, would consider one.

[BigAl52]

Man all this airgun talk is cool I like it.

[North Country Gal]

You'll like this, then.

Here's why I can't bring myself to sell the Daystate and why it keeps nagging me to buy a compressor.

[BigAl52]

That is some awesome shooting at 50 yards

[Sir Henry]

Really awesome especially in the wind.

[North Country Gal]

That's one of the reasons shooters swith to PCP, a.k.a., the "dark side" and never go back to other types of air guns. Not me, though. I shoot all types of airguns and enjoy them all.

[BigAl52]

NCG do you have any 50 yards targets shot with the HW97 you could post for comparison

[North Country Gal]

Sure do, but first, a little background on shooting air guns at 50 yards for group size with 5 shot groups.

Back when we were building up our airgun collection, I spent one entire summer shooting every type of airgun at 50 yards, meaning classic pump ups, PCPs and, of course, springers. I wanted a baseline of comparison between shooting airguns at 50 yards and 22 rimfire rifles at 50 yards.

What I discovered is as follows.

1) Pumps, PCPs and springers can all shoot under an inch for 5 shots at 50 yards. Some can get down to a half inch or even less. I even managed sub-inch groups with air rifles set up with peep sights and even open sights. Air rifles, then, are capable of shooting groups at 50 yards that compare with groups at 50 yards with a good 22 LR bolt gun.

2) At 50 yards, pellets are much more susceptible to wind and air currents than 22 LR bullets. This is not surprising, given that pellets have a very low B.C., compared to 22 LR bullets. Bottom line is that 22 LR rimfires are the more reliable 50 yard shooters, day in and day out over a wide range of shooting conditions. When conditions are favorable, a good air rifle can indeed compete with a good 22 rimfire. Pick the best days for shooting air rifles at 50.

3) Quality spring piston rifles and PCP rifles can shoot similar size groups at 50 yards, but a good PCP rifle is much more the consistent shooter. You'll go through a LOT more pellets to get those wall hanger groups with a springer. Not something I can count on for every 50 yard session. By contrast, I can count on and get several wall hanger groups every session with a PCP. This is why spring piston rifles need their own division in long range air rifle competition. They cannot compete, directly, with PCP rifles.

4) 50 yard shooting with a springer is not for beginner springer shooters. You must have the skills needed to master springer shooting. PCP rifles, by contrast, can be shot very much like a regular 22 LR rimfire. Still some differences, but no special shooting technique needed. No special scope needed, either. Your regular rimfire scope will work fine on a PCP. For a springer, you will need a springer rated scope.

5) Bottom line with air guns is that the extra 15 yards going from 35 yards to 50 yards is a significant hurdle and challenge. Excellent shooting conditions and top-notch shooting skills are essential. At 30-35 yards, though, air guns are very reliable, day in and day out shooters the same way that rimfires are good day in and day out 50 yard shooters.

[North Country Gal]

As promised. We have two 97Ks. One is the standard stock 97K and the other is the blue laminate stock 97K. The blue lam version is a heavier gun, thanks to the more robust stock. The blue is the better bench gun, but too heavy for my preferred offhand work. The standard 97K with scope is just doable for short offhand sessions.

Here are some 97K groups.

[North Country Gal]

And my best 97K group at 50. May never repeat it, but here it is.

[daytime dave]

Awesome shooting NCG! After reading the whole thread I'm inspired to go to the basement and shoot some targets with air guns.

Gene, the Benjamin Discovery that NCG talks about is not bad to pump up. Moving on to a larger reservoir, that is a workout. Not a bad work out, just a work out. She described it well. I rebuilt my Benjamin pump once. It wasn't difficult, just a bit intimidating until I found a better set of instructions online.
PCP's definitely benefit from a scope. Get one with an AO, it is a worthwhile feature.
I'd say start out with a pump and see how you do with it. Scuba tanks are a good investment if you have a diveshop nearby and shoot a lot. A home high pressure pump is pricey from the airgun companies. I haven't paid enough attention to see how they are working out for folks.
Let us know when you make your order.

[North Country Gal]

Thanks, guys.

Again, I do not want to leave the impression that shooting under an inch at 50 yards requires high dollar air guns. It's still the shooter.

Here's one I shot with a Daisy 953, the cheap version of the better known Daisy 853. Cost me all of $80 new. It's basically a 400 fps 10 yard shooter, so you need a perfect day to shoot at 50.

[Sir Henry]

Thanks, guys.

.....It's still the shooter.....

Yep. A good gun will not make a bad shooter good but a straight shooting gun will make a good shot better.

I’m amazed at your accuracy Joanie. A good gun doesn’t shoot itself and still needs someone to pull the trigger.

I went online last night to build an online order and Natchez was out. I still have a large order to call in on Monday.

So I’m still in search.