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National Ammo Crisis! Where is the Ammo & When Will Prices be ‘Normal’ Again

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Post by Hatchdog » Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:18 pm

Here’s a crazy one, I need a new shell holder for .308 (RCBS #3) and I have checked three local stores and a few online vendors and so far everybody is out. (I did find one online seller that shows inventory but I’m hoping to not pay more for shipping than the dang part costs). I have a LEE brand that came with a die set but I’m not happy with either the dies or the shell holder. It isn’t machined properly and some cases hang up in it, it works but it’s a pain in the butt. :roll: :roll: :roll:


Update:

After traveling all over north Spokane I found the shell holder I needed right here in Deer Park at the Bi-Mart variety store. :D

Sometimes one just has to push past the stacks of coffee and canned fruit, step around the TV’s and printers, glide past the pet supplies and booze and “shop local”. :lol: Seriously, Bi-Mart has a very well stocked sporting goods dept including hunting, fishing, camping and RV supplies. Great store. :!:
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Post by rugrat » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:55 am

On our grocery run to walmart this morning, I made a pass through the hunting dept. Plenty of shotguns and rifles in the cases. The only ammo in the case were 4 boxes of remington .222, 1 box of .300 winchester magnum, but they did have many boxes of 12 gauge shot shells though they were mostly target loads.

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Post by BigAl52 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:10 am

I see there is 9mm available now on Ammo Seek. If you dont mind paying .062 a round plus shipping.
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Post by GunnyGene » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:51 am

BigAl52 wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:10 am
I see there is 9mm available now on Ammo Seek. If you dont mind paying .062 a round plus shipping.
Checking around on-line yesterday for .41 mag. Not much out there, and what remains is north of $2/rnd. I was paying around 85 cents/round 2 years ago. :roll: I still have about 150 on hand, so I can wait this out for at least 3 or 4 years. I would like to shoot my Henry and Blackhawk more, but I'm not gonna waste it.

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Post by Grunt67 » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:33 pm

Just out of curiosity, I checked Midsouth today for 9mm Hornady XTP 124 gr. bullets that I use. They've been out of stock for quite a while. Today, back in stock, at the regular price. Kinda surprised at the price. Checked my inventory, got plenty, so left them for someone else.
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Post by GunnyGene » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:42 pm

Grunt67 wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:33 pm
Just out of curiosity, I checked Midsouth today for 9mm Hornady XTP 124 gr. bullets that I use. They've been out of stock for quite a while. Today, back in stock, at the regular price. Kinda surprised at the price. Checked my inventory, got plenty, so left them for someone else.
I just looked. It shows all 9mm out of stock.

https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/ ... stock=true
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Post by runnin n gunnin » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:57 pm

Two days ago I ordered 1K rounds of Hornady XTP 9mm 124 grain from Midway. I just checked my order, its shipping on time, but they are now out of stock !

Twice I procrastinated for primers or bullets for one day and lost out. Not again.
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Post by Grunt67 » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:14 pm

GunnyGene wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:42 pm
Grunt67 wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:33 pm
Just out of curiosity, I checked Midsouth today for 9mm Hornady XTP 124 gr. bullets that I use. They've been out of stock for quite a while. Today, back in stock, at the regular price. Kinda surprised at the price. Checked my inventory, got plenty, so left them for someone else.
I just looked. It shows all 9mm out of stock.

https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/ ... stock=true
Didn't last long. Not surprised at that. Probably only had a small amount, or a scalper showed up. Sorry Gunny, keep checking, maybe you'll get lucky. :(
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Post by RanchRoper » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:03 pm

Looks like all the 45 Colt here dried up for now. Good thing I stocked up early this year on reloading supplies. Lead/primers/powder. I have tubs full of brass.

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Post by BigAl52 » Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:47 am

RanchRoper wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:03 pm
Looks like all the 45 Colt here dried up for now. Good thing I stocked up early this year on reloading supplies. Lead/primers/powder. I have tubs full of brass.
Who needs a 45 Colt when you can make good smoke with a 50 cal. Had a 54 cal rollin smoke yesterday
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Post by North Country Gal » Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:43 am

Then world of air guns has taken a hit with shortages, too, but nothing compared to what is happening with the powder burners. Not even shooting the rimfires in the backyard, now, till things ease up. As for the air guns, I've still been able to get pellets to feed the air guns, though selection is sometimes spotty. Have many tins of the cheap stuff to shoot up that we've stockpiled over the years, anyway. For sure, air guns have saved this shooting season for us.

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Post by 220 » Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:42 pm

Not just ammo, looked at the availablity of a rifle for someone earlier in the week. The Australian distributor for henry has no rimfires in any caliber or model left in stock and no eta for the next shipment.

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Post by runnin n gunnin » Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:35 am

FYI . . .


How Much Ammunition is Produced for the United States Market?

November 27, 2020 by Dean Weingarten


U.S.A. – For the second time in a decade, demand for ammunition has outstripped supply in the United States. The first ammunition bubble was from 2012 to 2017. The next started in 2020.

Ammunition manufacturers have increased their capacity. In the face of increased demand, it has not been enough. Ammunition plants are running 24/7 to make profits while demand is high. Shortages still exist in the United States. Common calibers have disappeared from store shelves. Prices have risen. Panic buying and purchasing for private stockpiles have increased.

Those who purchased a stockpile in the interval between ammunition bubbles from 2017 to 2020 are considered wise and foresighted. At one point in October of 2018, .22 rimfire ammunition was available at 2.5 cents per round.
How much ammunition is being produced and purchased in the United States market?

During the .22 rimfire bubble, the productive capacity was increased from about 4 billion rimfire rounds to 5 billion rimfire rounds per year. The National Shooting Sports Foundation has estimated total ammunition produced for the United States market in 2017 at 8.1 billion rounds. In 2018, the total ammunition production for the United States was estimated at 8.7 billion rounds. The numbers for 2019 should be published in December of 2020.

A reasonable extrapolation puts the amount of ammunition produced for the United States market at somewhat over 9 billion rounds, of which 5 billion are rimfire and 4 billion are centerfire rifle, pistol, and shotgun rounds in 2020.

To put those numbers in perspective, the capacity of the U.S. military to produce small arms ammunition is 1.6 billion rounds per year. 99% of small arms ammunition for the military is produced at the Lake City ammunition plant in Independence, Missouri. From alu.army.mil:

Over 99 percent of all small-arms bullets (5.56-millimeter [mm], 7.62-mm and .50-caliber) consumed by the Army under its Title 10 responsibility to supply and equip its forces are manufactured at the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant.

Lake City is the last of the World War II ammunition plants still in operation. All the rest have been shut down and decommissioned. In World War II, the U.S. produced 21.6 billion rounds of small arms ammunition per year. Most of the ammunition plants were shut down immediately after the war. During the Korean war, 4 plants were brought back into service. Now only the Lake City plant is operational. From jmc.army.mil:

After VJ day, all small caliber production plants except Lake City and Twin Cities were closed.Years later, the Korean Conflict would only require operation of six small caliber ammunition plants to meet wartime requirements. Five plants were utilized in the Vietnam War and amazingly today‟s production is able to meet requirements of 1.5 billion rounds per year by operating one facility, Lake City with Alliant Tech systems (ATK) as the current operating contractor. Modernization of production lines and new technologies has provided the abilities to meet this mission with a reduced infrastructure. Additional rounds are procured from General Dynamics and provided by NATO forces to meet total requirements. 48

Ammunition manufacturing capacity, for the United States market, is about 9 billion rounds per year. About 5 billion are rimfire, about 4 billion are centerfire.
Small arms ammunition capacity for the U.S. military is about 1.6 billion rounds per year. It is all centerfire ammunition.

About Dean Weingarten:

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of Constitutional Carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering and retired from the Department of Defense after a 30-year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.
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