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Re: BB 45 Colt accuracy

Post by MJ151 » Tue May 14, 2019 8:55 am

2-3" at 100 yards will fill the freezer any day of the week. Can you get a tighter group, sure, how much do you want to work at it. Have you slugged the bore to get a true diameter? Do you want to cast your own bullets? It is down to tinkering at this point. The velocity is there for anything you want to take in the lower 48. I run anywhere from 8.5gr to 11.5 of unique in a pistol. A 10gr load will blow through an elk with a cast bullet. If the Henry would accept a longer bullet, I would recommend trying the 270gr SAA Keith style over H110. Or a LBT LFN of similar weight.
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Re: BB 45 Colt accuracy

Post by ESquared » Tue May 14, 2019 9:14 am

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2-3" at 100 yards will fill the freezer any day of the week. Can you get a tighter group, sure, how much do you want to work at it. Have you slugged the bore to get a true diameter? Do you want to cast your own bullets? It is down to tinkering at this point. The velocity is there for anything you want to take in the lower 48. I run anywhere from 8.5gr to 11.5 of unique in a pistol. A 10gr load will blow through an elk with a cast bullet. If the Henry would accept a longer bullet, I would recommend trying the 270gr SAA Keith style over H110. Or a LBT LFN of similar weight.
Great perspective, MJ. We can tend to drive ourselves crazy trying to wring tighter and tighter groups out of the rifle or the ammo load (or both), when it comes down to the shooter or the weather or the other 'tinkering' that comes into play. It's a lever action hunting rifle, after all, not a sniper's tool with a $5,000 scope.
We all want it to be as good as it can be (just look at what RR does with iron sights!), but so many variables come into play that, YES!, a 3" group at 100 yds is by no means a failure on the part of the firearm or the shooter!
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Re: BB 45 Colt accuracy

Post by MJ151 » Tue May 14, 2019 5:23 pm

Exactly. I love a tight group and have spend money to get there (with different platforms). But at the end of the day to take an animal it's not necessary (for me). Far be it from me to stand in the way of quest for obtaining tight groups. That's part of the fun for some people, to see just how small of a group can you get. But I don't want the OP to think he has to chase a submoa group to take a deer at any reasonable levergun range. If you find the magic load for your rifle please share it and lastly, happy hunting.
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Re: BB 45 Colt accuracy

Post by Mags » Tue May 14, 2019 6:15 pm

A fantasy of mine. 5 shots at 100yds in 1 ragged hole. Regardless, agree with what has already been shared, 3" group at 100yds is pretty darn good.
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Re: BB 45 Colt accuracy

Post by markiver54 » Tue May 14, 2019 7:49 pm

I would certainly accept that!
Especially in a hunting situation it would be dinner! :D
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Re: BB 45 Colt accuracy

Post by Vaquero » Tue May 14, 2019 9:09 pm

3" groups at a 100 yds. and open sights.
That'll fill the freezer any day.

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Re: BB 45 Colt accuracy

Post by JEBar » Tue May 14, 2019 10:04 pm

bdbrown66 wrote:
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Yeah, I would be very happy with that group. I haven't yet tried any of the Nosler bullets, waiting to find them at SPS.
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Re: BB 45 Colt accuracy

Post by markiver54 » Tue May 14, 2019 10:55 pm

Very nice table setting... :D
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Re: BB 45 Colt accuracy

Post by bdbrown66 » Wed May 15, 2019 1:11 pm

Yeah, I'm not obsessing about it. If that's the best that it will do, then I can live with it. I'm just trying to find out if others have had better luck in that regard.

I did pick up a pound of AA #9 powder and loaded a ladder with the lead 255gr SWC's. I'll see how that compares to the ones I tested with H110. Will report back when I have more info. Thanks for the input, folks.

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Re: BB 45 Colt accuracy

Post by bdbrown66 » Wed May 15, 2019 1:13 pm

Vaquero wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 9:09 pm
3" groups at a 100 yds. and open sights.
That'll fill the freezer any day.

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No way I could do that with open sights. My eyes are way too old. I'm using a 2-7 scope.

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Re: BB 45 Colt accuracy

Post by Firefly » Sun May 26, 2019 3:12 am

That is pretty good for a pistol calibre rifle, what scope are you using

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Re: BB 45 Colt accuracy

Post by RanchRoper » Sun May 26, 2019 7:39 am

That is excellent shooting at 100 yds.

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Re: BB 45 Colt accuracy

Post by bdbrown66 » Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:32 am

I thought I would circle back around with my findings on this topic. After a lot of load testing, I gave up on the H110 powder. I just wasn't getting the consistency I wanted, and it seems like you really have to get the pressure up to avoid sootiness. After doing some research, I found Accurate #9. Velocity potential right up there with H110, and none of the pressure drawbacks, difficulty igniting, etc. Also switched bullets to the 250gr Hornady XTP. In testing, I was having better results than before, but still getting odd flyers, which drove me nuts. I finally decided to try another scope and rings, but when I took it off, I discovered that the screws in my mount had worked loose, even tho I had put Loctite on them originally. So I remounted everything and went back to the range. Much, much better, especially for a woods gun. I zeroed at 75, won't have a need to go beyond 100 or so, but the capability is there if needed. MV is 1710 fps, and that bullet really expands. Should be quite effective on deer.
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Re: BB 45 Colt accuracy

Post by fortyshooter » Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:03 am

How does Alliant 2400 powder compare for accuracy?

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Re: BB 45 Colt accuracy

Post by bdbrown66 » Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:12 am

fortyshooter wrote:
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How does Alliant 2400 powder compare for accuracy?
I have never used it.

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Re: BB 45 Colt accuracy

Post by Rifletom » Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:25 am

1710 MV from a .45 Colt? I have to ask: Where did that data come from? Thanks.

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Re: BB 45 Colt accuracy

Post by bdbrown66 » Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:38 am

Rifletom wrote:
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1710 MV from a .45 Colt? I have to ask: Where did that data come from? Thanks.
The load data came directly from Western Powder's published data. It was listed as using a 255gr SWC bullet, but I contacted them to verify that it would be safe with the Hornady XTP and other JHP bullets. It is listed under their "30,000 PSI" loads for 45 Colt.

ACCURATE NO. 9
225 BARNES XPB 18.0 1,226 20.0 1,362 28,287 1.588
255 (L) LC SWC 20.6 1,303 24.2 1,524 29,950 1.604
300 (L) LC FP 16.0 1,127 18.8 1,281 29,023 1.566
320 BME PUNCH 15.9 1,058 18.7 1,214 29,654 1.640
395 (L) CP WLNGC 12.2 891 14.3 1,024 28,877 1.658

As you can see, at 23.0 gr I'm not even bumping up against the max. No pressure signs noted with primers, brass, sticky ejection, etc.

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Re: BB 45 Colt accuracy

Post by Rifletom » Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:06 am

Very good. That indeed looks to be a good load. Thanks for the input regarding Accurate #9.

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Re: BB 45 Colt accuracy

Post by bdbrown66 » Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:13 am

There is another combo that I'm going to try next. Ramshot Enforcer/Accurate 4100 with 250gr Nosler JHP. That will have to wait until deer season is over.

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Re: BB 45 Colt accuracy

Post by Mags » Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:13 pm

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Thanks for circling back with an update. Good to see you getting it figured out!
bdbrown66 wrote:
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I thought I would circle back around with my findings on this topic. ...
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