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"Thoughts on Expertise"

Post by PT7 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:17 pm

I've always liked the instructions Daytime Dave has for "The Lounge Area." --> Relax with friends on the front or back porch. After doing just that in person during our KC Get-Together and having a great time, I'm doing it again on our forum. :)

For almost a month now I've been involved in a new-to-me part of the shooting sports, black powder. I joined a forum where this is the major focus, like we have here on Henry lever-action rifles. This forum is called Muzzleloading Forum (MLF).

Around my time spent this week with the "KC Gang" at our get-together, I've been following a thread on MLF. It was launched by a long-time forum member, who wrote his observations of "The greatest Expert" in muzzleloading. The title of the thread is "Thoughts on Expertise." This caught my attention because it didn't sound like the regular thread discussions about muzzleloading. I was right; it is a reflective, thought piece of years spent in muzzleloading.

As a newbie to muzzleloading, I have asked many basic questions. I was getting a multitude of members sharing what is the way to go with whatever. The responses were so varied, I actually didn't know what to think. This member's comments helped me focus on what I needed to learn, especially being a newbie. Here is what he wrote. Thought some Henry Folk might find this interesting, as well. I'm always learning something new.

(NOTE: I sent a PM to this MLF member and asked his permission to post his thoughts "in their entirety." He said it was okay to do that. And I titled my Henry subject line just as was titled on the MLF thread).

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In my experience wisdom isn't a blanket coverage and it always comes in "degrees" or "levels". A shooter/builder/historian will ultimately know a lot about a spot here, a spot there and nothing really about this area over here. It takes long (more or less) experience for someone/anyone to earn a good grasp of "what makes a good flint", the best powder for a job, where to shoot deer, not to mention ball size, patch material, lube, you name it. Most of what is offered as advice is merely "opinion" and is normally no better or worse than than advice from someone with less experience. Really, now, experts - as commonly understood - DO NOT EXIST when it comes to the ins and outs of muzzleloading. There are pretty good authorities on styles, history, etc. But they know very little more, if that, about the other aspects than the guy who's been into the sport only 5 or 10 years. Think PhD - Pile it Higher and Deeper. Or think of it as learning more and more about less and less. I have my area of expertise, but I'm no expert. Despite the degrees, academic and otherwise, it would be foolish for me to claim to be an expert on anything. There have been a few (very) "renaissance men", but none, I'm sure, writing about muzzleloaders.

Okay, so we have no experts; only certain individuals who know a lot about certain little things. What about celebrated gun builders and the art they produce? Well, they ARE incredibly knowledgeable about anything to do with gun building; but they seldom agree with one another, hhhmmm... Other than that, well, they are about like the rest of us. Certain laws of physics/chemistry are, as far as we know, immutable. These can be a basis for a "pretty sure this is right". Different strokes for different folks and if it works for you it's some degree of right, guaranteed.
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Re: "Thought on Expertise"

Post by RanchRoper » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:24 pm

Kind of supports my approach...I try not to overthink things. I have my particular style of firearms because I really like them. And at the range, just shoot and enjoy. Take what advice you can use, and have fun.

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Re: "Thought on Expertise"

Post by JEBar » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:44 pm

RR, I absolutely agree but do admit I have to constantly work at not over complicating things

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Post by ESquared » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:04 pm

Very interesting point of view, and one to be taken seriously. It tends to take me back to all those little sayings we grew up with:
- More than one way to skin a cat
- There are always two sides to every story
- Nobody likes a know-it-all
- Treat others the way you want to be treated
- If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all

I likely drove many around here crazy about a year ago when I jumped in with both feet, asking a million questions. Took a bit of filtering to determine what was what, but eventually you take a bit from over here, a bit from over there, add something that just strikes you as "right," and try it out. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.

So it will likely be for you in the BP world. That's the fun of it.
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Re: "Thoughts on Expertise"

Post by Ojaileveraction » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:30 pm

Opinions are like belly buttons.

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Re: "Thoughts on Expertise"

Post by cooperhawk » Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:49 am

Opinions are like gaseous emissions.

We all have them.
They are invisible.
We are relieved to share them with others.
We are proud of our own but abhor those of others.
We sometimes drop them in crowds just to see the reaction.
Sometimes we won't claim them as ours.
Most smell pretty bad.

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She vomited on him. :shock:
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Re: "Thoughts on Expertise"

Post by daytime dave » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:53 am

Thanks for sharing that piece here. It fits right in. I hope you are enjoying the blackpowder shooting.
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Post by BigAl52 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:29 am

Im like Jim I seem to make life complicated more than necessary. Im no expert at anything and when someone comes off that way to me the proceed with caution flags go up. Ya Evan line 3 and I work with one everyday
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Post by Mags » Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:19 pm

Must be right. Fluid hydraulics and Algebra prove it.
- A 'spurt' is a drip under pressure.
- 'x' is an unknown value.
Hence, an 'expert' is an 'unknown' drip under pressure :mrgreen:
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Re: "Thoughts on Expertise"

Post by PT7 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:23 pm

Thanks, Dave. The MLF thread is still moving along, and more quality comments added. I've enjoyed it.

Sure have wanted to get to the range and shoot the Trapper pistol again. But I've only been at the range one time so far. After I attended that first shoot, I kept busy for a while building the wood pistol loading stand, then ran right into the week of the KC Get-Together. So it's been a busy August.

If the rain stays away and the creek don't rise, I plan to go to the FOML range (Ft. Osage Mussleloading) next Saturday. There is a "novelty shoot" being held. I'll again meet with the same RO for a 2nd review of the range safety regulations. I will brush up on the BP pistol loading sequence, and I'm then on my own to shoot all day if I want. Looking forward to it, and I already know it will be a lot of fun :!: :D :!:

I'd like to post a Range Report here, and also report on how the pistol stand works out, "live on the loading bench." ;)

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Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:53 am
Thanks for sharing that piece here. It fits right in. I hope you are enjoying the blackpowder shooting.

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