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357 Magnums at the Range
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:38 pm
by Headhog
Went to the range today to burn-up some of the 357 Magnum ammo I had on the shelf. Took along the Henry BBS, Rossi R92 and Cimarron Pistolero. Turned out it was a little warm today at 90 F. Set up my steel rack at about 45 yards for the rifles and a paper target at 15 yards for the pistol.
Had a lot of fun making the steel jump and swing around and also punch some holes in the paper. Below are the implements for having fun.
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Since this was a hotter load than I've been using, I decided to see how it grouped. So I moved the paper target to 45 yards and fired 5 shots from the Henry and 5 from the Rossi. Both of these rifles were zeroed with a lighter charge of Universal. I bumped this charge up by 0.4 gr. to see the results. As I expected both rifles shot lower, but grouped well. I also noticed this when I was shooting the steel as I missed the first few times until I started aiming at the tops of the steel.
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The 5 shots from the Rossi, circled in white, produced a great group. The Henry group, circled in pink, was not as impressive. The big problem with the Henry is the front bead is too large and completely covered the black area while aiming. The front post on the Rossi is rather thin and is easy to place in the black area center. So with the Henry I couldn't see any side to side or up and down wobble. But what the heck, shooting is all about having fun and doing what you enjoy.
Paul
Re: 357 Magnums at the Range
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:11 pm
by Ernie
Sounds like a nice day out. I am gathering some Information for reloading and you say faster shoots lower? Meaning flatter?\
Ernie
Re: 357 Magnums at the Range
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:16 pm
by Rifletom
Rossi sure is shooting nice. The Henry will come around. How'd the Pistolero do?
What's the loads? It is indeed a good way to have fun Paul.
Re: 357 Magnums at the Range
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:26 pm
by Headhog
Ernie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:11 pm
Sounds like a nice day out. I am gathering some Information for reloading and you say faster shoots lower? Meaning flatter?\
Ernie
Yes faster shoots flatter, but the reason for slower ammo shooting higher is more time in the barrel. The slower bullet takes more time leaving the barrel and the barrel rise from recoil is more during this time. So the slower round strikes higher on the target.
Paul
Re: 357 Magnums at the Range
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:30 pm
by Ernie
Headhog wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:26 pm
Ernie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:11 pm
Sounds like a nice day out. I am gathering some Information for reloading and you say faster shoots lower? Meaning flatter?\
Ernie
Yes faster shoots flatter, but the reason for slower ammo shooting lower is more time in the barrel. The slower bullet takes more time leaving the barrel and the barrel rise from recoil is more during this time. So the slower round strikes higher on the target.
Paul
You state slower ammo shoots lower, then state slower ammo strikes higher. I am going to go with the second one. That makes sense. Thank you.
Re: 357 Magnums at the Range
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:39 pm
by Headhog
Ernie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:30 pm
Headhog wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:26 pm
Ernie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:11 pm
Sounds like a nice day out. I am gathering some Information for reloading and you say faster shoots lower? Meaning flatter?\
Ernie
Yes faster shoots flatter, but the reason for slower ammo shooting lower is more time in the barrel. The slower bullet takes more time leaving the barrel and the barrel rise from recoil is more during this time. So the slower round strikes higher on the target.
Paul
You state slower ammo shoots lower, then state slower ammo strikes higher. I am going to go with the second one. That makes sense. Thank you.
Sorry I was in a hurry and got my word mixed up. I'll edit my post.
Paul
Re: 357 Magnums at the Range
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:17 pm
by fortyshooter
All good hits there Paul! I hope to get some plinking in soon when the humidity breaks a bit.
Re: 357 Magnums at the Range
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:43 am
by Sir Henry
Nice shooting with the Rossi. I wouldn’t have thought the flatter shooting because of speed would have made that much difference at 45 yards. I wonder what the same elevation hit distance would be. I’m not all that familiar with 38/357 even though I have the same rifle.
Great post!
Re: 357 Magnums at the Range
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:52 am
by Vaquero
Nice shootin, sounds like you had a good time.
That ole Rossi showing up the Henry there.
I have a pair of Rossis myself, a SS 357 with the 24" octagon, and
a blued 20" barreled 45 colt.
Both shoot high at 50 yds.
I've taken the rear sight elevators out of both just so I can hit at 50.
Not shot the 45 at 100 yds., but the 357 is on at a 100.
Can ring that 8" gong consistently.
RP
Re: 357 Magnums at the Range
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:54 am
by BrokenolMarine
With the Henry sight, try floating the ball, use a six o'clock hold on the black to keep your point of aim consistent and see if your groups don't tighten up considerably. I also went with the Skinner Peep for my rear sight. Old Eyes these days. I believe they offer a different front sight as well.
Re: 357 Magnums at the Range
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 9:02 am
by Luv the lever
Headhog wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:38 pm
Went to the range today to burn-up some of the 357 Magnum ammo I had on the shelf. Took along the Henry BBS, Rossi R92 and Cimarron Pistolero. Turned out it was a little warm today at 90 F. Set up my steel rack at about 45 yards for the rifles and a paper target at 15 yards for the pistol.
Had a lot of fun making the steel jump and swing around and also punch some holes in the paper. Below are the implements for having fun.
IMG_2183.jpg
Since this was a hotter load than I've been using, I decided to see how it grouped. So I moved the paper target to 45 yards and fired 5 shots from the Henry and 5 from the Rossi. Both of these rifles were zeroed with a lighter charge of Universal. I bumped this charge up by 0.4 gr. to see the results. As I expected both rifles shot lower, but grouped well. I also noticed this when I was shooting the steel as I missed the first few times until I started aiming at the tops of the steel.
IMG_2184.jpg
The 5 shots from the Rossi, circled in white, produced a great group. The Henry group, circled in pink, was not as impressive. The big problem with the Henry is the front bead is too large and completely covered the black area while aiming. The front post on the Rossi is rather thin and is easy to place in the black area center. So with the Henry I couldn't see any side to side or up and down wobble. But what the heck, shooting is all about having fun and doing what you enjoy.
Paul
Finding the same issues with irons. The plan next range trip is to finally listen to BrokenolMarine and zero to a 6 O’Clock hold.
Re: 357 Magnums at the Range
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 4:36 pm
by BrokenolMarine
We are shooting at the B27 target from 50 yards with the 6" PPC 38 revolver here. I finally tightened up my groups in all four positions by changing MY point of aim during a practice session and shooting at the neck and setting the sights for the #4 position on the four position rear sight to put rounds into the X-ring with this hold.
Look at the target from this distance. Floating the head RIGHT on the tip of the front sight means my sight is aligned left to right and vertically. With the width of the front sight at this distance trying to hold the front sight in the center of the body...
... I could never maintain a good sight picture.
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The excellent sights on the guns let me choose one of four sight settings, so I had one for 7, 15, 25 and 50 yards. The real error was NOT checking to insure the rear sight was set on the proper sight for the distance we were shooting on. You only make that mistake once, or twice.
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Re: 357 Magnums at the Range
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:52 pm
by Bake
Re: 357 Magnums at the Range
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:15 pm
by BrokenolMarine
Bake wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:52 pm
BrokenolMarine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:54 am
With the Henry sight, try floating the ball, use a six o'clock hold on the black to keep your point of aim consistent and see if your groups don't tighten up considerably. I also went with the Skinner Peep for my rear sight. Old Eyes these days. I believe they offer a different front sight as well.
This is very hard for me to do. 
I have to agree with "BrokenolMarine" the 6:00 Hold worked very well for me when I went to "Boot" (Jul '62), and is still my first choice when working with Iron. I am even considering using a rear peep sight on my Glock 21 
while using the 6:00 . . .
Must have been a Sailor....
Don't worry, half the family was navy, including Mom, and Dad... Blue Angels.
Tina's Dad and Brother as well.
My two uncles in the Army
Daughter and Son-in-law in the Air Force
And, let's not forget, Son and his Grandfather, Coastguard.
We love them all, but rag on everyone.
Re: 357 Magnums at the Range
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:26 pm
by DsGrouse
i've wanted to find one of those ppc 38's for a number of years. I run across them everyone in a while. One day i will snag one.
Re: 357 Magnums at the Range
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2022 10:13 pm
by Bake
BrokenolMarine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:15 pm
Bake wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:52 pm
BrokenolMarine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:54 am
With the Henry sight, try floating the ball, use a six o'clock hold on the black to keep your point of aim consistent and see if your groups don't tighten up considerably. I also went with the Skinner Peep for my rear sight. Old Eyes these days. I believe they offer a different front sight as well.
This is very hard for me to do. I have to agree with "BrokenolMarine" the 6:00 Hold worked very well for me when I went to "Boot" (Jul '62), and is still my first choice when working with Iron. I am even considering using a rear peep sight on my Glock 21 while using the 6:00 . . .
Must have been a Sailor....
Don't worry, half the family was navy, including Mom, and Dad... Blue Angels.
Tina's Dad and Brother as well.
My two uncles in the Army
Daughter and Son-in-law in the Air Force
And, let's not forget, Son and his Grandfather, Coastguard.
:Dove Love them all, but rag on everyone.
( USAF, '62 to '83, M/Sgt. ) Damn I bet when you have a family reunion, come about 1730 hours, your whole house will jump off the foundation . . .