Pedersoli Reproductions

[dddrees]

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Shiloh Sharps built in Big Timber,Montana Long Range Express 45-100 with windage adjustable front and rear MVA sights. I have had it about 20 years and I shot it in competition for about 8 of those 20. It was alot of fun but to be good at it it takes more time than I was willing to continue to put into it.

Very, very nice.

Yeah, mine would be strictly for fun. Although I can certainly see this being something you could really get serious with if you had that intention. Here's hoping your still able to enjoy it. Very nice looking gun.


Thanks for sharing,


Dan

[North Country Gal]

I think your choice between a Sharps and a later, slightly more modern design like a High Wall or even something modern like a Ruger No. 1 should be based on how you plan to use the gun and how much you value romance and history of the single shots.

There is no doubt that the Sharps is the clear winner in terms of its history and romance of the Old West. It was a major player in the settling of the West. If the 45-70 or similar is what you want to shoot, nothing says 45-70 like a Sharps.

The High Wall was a late-comer, by comparison. Too late to have been used much for buffalo hunting, but extremely popular in the late 1800s as a target gun in competition. If it's performance you want, the High Wall is the stronger action with a faster lock time and is well suited to shoot any modern cartridge, including the likes of the 6.5 Creedmoor, 223 and so on. The Miroku made 1885 reproductions as I'm sure you know, are of impeccable quality.

I would not rule out a Ruger No. 1 in the caliber of your choice, either. The No 1S in 45-70 has been one of the most popular No 1 versions since the beginning and, like the High Wall, can take any 45-70 load you dare to shoot in it.

Be warned, though. Classic falling block single shots are hugely addictive, right there with lever guns. (Ask me how I know.)

As for me, I have to be very careful about size and weight of these classic single shots. As a gal, no way can I handle a classic Sharps with a 30" or even longer barrel. I can barely lift one to my shoulder. Even a High Wall with a long barrel becomes an issue for me. On the other hand, a Ruger No 1s, or 1A or 1 RSI makes for a nice handling single shot.

[dddrees]

I think your choice between a Sharps and a later, slightly more modern design like a High Wall or even something modern like a Ruger No. 1 should be based on how you plan to use the gun and how much you value romance and history of the single shots.

There is no doubt that the Sharps is the clear winner in terms of its history and romance of the Old West. It was a major player in the settling of the West. If the 45-70 or similar is what you want to shoot, nothing says 45-70 like a Sharps.

The High Wall was a late-comer, by comparison. Too late to have been used much for buffalo hunting, but extremely popular in the late 1800s as a target gun in competition. If it's performance you want, the High Wall is the stronger action with a faster lock time and is well suited to shoot any modern cartridge, including the likes of the 6.5 Creedmoor, 223 and so on. The Miroku made 1885 reproductions as I'm sure you know, are of impeccable quality.

I would not rule out a Ruger No. 1 in the caliber of your choice, either. The No 1S in 45-70 has been one of the most popular No 1 versions since the beginning and, like the High Wall, can take any 45-70 load you dare to shoot in it.

Be warned, though. Classic falling block single shots are hugely addictive, right there with lever guns. (Ask me how I know.)

Thanks for the information, summary, and comparisons of these three designs. I'm vaguely aware of a few more but these are the three that currently appeal to me. I could very easily see where they could become extremely addicting. The History and something about the design of the Sharps really appeals to me. I guess I'm old and just getting older but going back into history and do the whole research thing is a lot of fun as well. Gives me something to talk about when someone asks me what the heck that is, that doesn't look like an AR.

The whole side hammer thing just looks cool if you ask me. I think if I were to go for additional ones later then the Highwall and the Ruger would would be additions to the collection at a later time.

Luv to see any pictures and hear more about any classic falling blocks that you might have and would care to share.


Thanks again and valuable input as always,


Dan

[North Country Gal]

Be glad to share, Dan. just let me know if you have any questions. I'm partial to the Miroku 1885 reproductions. They're not a true reproduction in terms of the action. More of an updated and modernized action with a rebounding hammer for a safety, so they avoid a dedicated safety like the Ruger and, of course, they have an exposed hammer, so they stay a bit truer to the classic single shot design.

Here's my Low Wall Hunter in 223. With its trim tapered octagon barrel, it's still light enough with a scope for me to shoot it comfortably, offhand. Handles very much like a typical bolt action sporter as far carrying in the field. (Now wears an excellent Nikon Monarch scope, instead of the Redfield, which I did not like.)

[Mistered]

Oops, I"ll bet you wish you had another shot at that same deal.

Sort of but not really - decided I needed to concentrate on shooting the rifles I already had rather than adding another!

[dddrees]

Be glad to share, Dan. just let me know if you have any questions. I'm partial to the Miroku 1885 reproductions. They're not a true reproduction in terms of the action. More of an updated and modernized action with a rebounding hammer for a safety, so they avoid a dedicated safety like the Ruger and, of course, they have an exposed hammer, so they stay a bit truer to the classic single shot design.

Here's my Low Wall Hunter in 223. With its trim tapered octagon barrel, it's still light enough with a scope for me to shoot it comfortably, offhand. Handles very much like a typical bolt action sporter as far carrying in the field. (Now wears an excellent Nikon Monarch scope, instead of the Redfield, which I did not like.)

Very nice, I think I need to win the lottery.

Anyway, personally I would have no reservations about getting another Miroku reproduction. I think I would much prefer that the hammer safety didn't exist but as far as quality goes I'm very happy with the three I currently own. Unfortunately the only thing I have to go off of are descriptions provided by users and pictures of most of these guns from the internet. None of these are readily availible in person anywhere locally. All of my decisions to go with Winchester vs Uberti were made this way. If for some reason Miroku were to make a version of the Sharps I would probably go with their version. From what I've seen so far CSharpsarms or Shilo might be better options quality wise but that would come at a much higher price and I'm not sure I am willing to pay that much. The basic Sharps from CSharps is close in price but once you start adding on options they cost much more than what you can get from Pedersoli. In most cases that means it's probably worth it but they do come at a much higher price. The encouraging thing is that all descriptions of Pedersoli so far that I have read is that they tend to be the best when it comes to the Italian gunmakers. I'm not sure how much difference that actually makes but that does sound very encouraging. Uberti kind of turned me off with the softer grey wood, red finish, rough internals, and screw heads which where buggered and tightened by gorillas. Good guns by all accounts but those things were turn offs for me. In both cases so far I went with Miroku and Henry Repeating Arms for a little more money because based on descriptions I read they were better quality guns when compared to Uberti with regards to wood options, how they were put together, and more polished internals. They may not have been as close to the original as Uberti but they appealed to me more because of the reasons I stated.

As far as design it sounds that the Winchester has the better design when it comes to function and it also has that whole John Browning thing going for it and that might be the smarter choice when it comes to comparing the two guns. Unfortunately or fortunately however I am more drawn to the history and the aesthetics of the Sharps rifle. That whole side hammer look somehow just appeals to me.

[dddrees]

Oops, I"ll bet you wish you had another shot at that same deal.

Sort of but not really - decided I needed to concentrate on shooting the rifles I already had rather than adding another!

I can understand that. Actually it may not sound like it because I am talking about getting yet another but the voice in the back of my head keeps telling me to try and narrow down which few I get from this point forward. In fact I was trying to do that when choosing to go with the last couple of reproductions I recently got. I am actually trying to narrow this list down. Glad to hear that by missing out on that particular deal that you actually don't think you missed out on anything.

[North Country Gal]

I remember how the demand and interest in the Sharps spiked, big time, after the Quigley movie. In fact, some of us used to joke "another one going Quigley on us" when a fellow shooter would spend the big bucks for a domestic, custom made Sharps. The U.S. made Sharps rifles are, of course, more than just rifles, they're works of art and the prices are what you should expect to pay for a domestic, small shop made gun. As mentioned, I've always admired those Sharps, but I physically just can't handle one, unless I try for one of the baby Sharps versions.

If it's a matter of performance with the 45-70, though, or any cartridge, for that matter, we need to be honest with ourselves and admit that spending the money for a custom Sharps or even a reproduction or a modern falling block like a Ruger No. 1, won't necessarily get us a better shooter than a break open like a Henry or one of my TCs. I have a couple 45-70 barrels, right now, one for the Contender and one for the Encore. Didn't pay more than $200 for each and I promise you, they will shoot the 45-70 as well or better than one of those classic Sharps costing thousands. I may even grab a Henry single shot when I can find one for the same reason. Has to be one of the great values in a single shot. Very pleased to see Henry getting in this market.

[dddrees]

I remember how the demand and interest in the Sharps spiked, big time, after the Quigley movie. In fact, some of us used to joke "another one going Quigley on us" when a fellow shooter would spend the big bucks for a domestic, custom made Sharps. The U.S. made Sharps rifles are, of course, more than just rifles, they're works of art and the prices are what you should expect to pay for a domestic, small shop made gun. As mentioned, I've always admired those Sharps, but I physically just can't handle one, unless I try for one of the baby Sharps versions.

If it's a matter of performance with the 45-70, though, or any cartridge, for that matter, we need to be honest with ourselves and admit that spending the money for a custom Sharps or even a reproduction or a modern falling block like a Ruger No. 1, won't necessarily get us a better shooter than a break open like a Henry or one of my TCs. I have a couple 45-70 barrels, right now, one for the Contender and one for the Encore. Didn't pay more than $200 for each and I promise you, they will shoot the 45-70 as well or better than one of those classic Sharps costing thousands. I may even grab a Henry single shot when I can find one for the same reason. Has to be one of the great values in a single shot. Very pleased to see Henry getting in this market.

Perfect, really puts things into perspective. Your absolutely right on target when it comes to a big part of the draw being that it's more a work of art. I do like the history aspect of it as well. I really haven't looked at it close enough but the Shilo version probably is the most expensive work of art availible but that kind of money is a lot more than I am willing to spend. I think I saw one north of $7,000. Fabulous looking rifle and I am sure every little detail is simply amazing but unfortunately much more than I am willing to pay.

Oh, and I am coming across the whole Tom Selleck thing as well. At the time I wasn't buying guns but I do remember thinking how cool that rifle looked. But to be honest it wasn't the Quigley thing that drew me in this time. But I did see Hickock45 shooting it on YouTube. Had I watched Quigley again that may have done it as well. It's just a real cool looking gun.

But then again this won't be the first rifle I purchased for more aesthetic reasons than just function. Both of my Winchester Shot Show versions and the Original Henry I purchased were not just for function and historical draw, but were for aesthetic reasons as well. I most certainly could have purchased the base model but it wouldn't have looked quite as nice. The Henry Repeating Arms was also supposed to have a much nicer looking stock than the Uberti. The enjoyment I will get whether I am on the range by myself or not will be from the smile it puts on my face when I am able to not only fire the gun but enjoy how good it looks. Heck from time to time when I take it out just to look at them they put a smile on my face. The story I share with others as to how I found them and why I selected them and the history that goes behind them puts a smile on my face. I think if I were extremely rich I could get into collecting originals but because I am not and I do want to fire them I will just have to be content (not settle) but be content with what I am able to do.

Function although extremely important it is but only one factor of how I go about choosing anything. In this case I am but an amateur at best when it comes to shooting and I have no dreams or need to be the very best. I do however get great joy out of using some very nice crafted as well as functioning guns. If I were to have the money I think I might own a Rolls Royce. Yes it might be nice to get Oohs and Ahs but frankly I find enjoyment out of using things that are very well crafted pieces of art. Just do.

[RanchRoper]

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