.327 Federal Magnum Rifle Loads

[JEBar]

Well I hate to say it, but I think I got a "lemon"! I have not been able to find anything even close to an accurate load.

The only thing I have not tried is factory ammo, which I will do this weekend. I do not expect to see anything different, but who knows. I have been hand loading ammo for near 50 years, and have never encountered such poor results. If the factory loads prove to be the same as hand loads, I will make a chamber casting and send it and the rifle back the Henry. Almost all fired rounds come out sooty, so I expect there is a chamber issue.

I have to ask because I've seen it be a problem too many times .... are you positive (make that way beyond positive) that the problem is not with your scope or its mount .. .. I well understand about hand loading for 50 years, I started back in the early 60's .... trying several brands/loads of factory ammo prior to going to Henry is a very wise move .... personally, I'll be surprised if the results from your handloads won't be pretty much the same with factory ammo .... Henry specifically recommends using only factory ammo .... when you can provide them with data based on factory ammo, they will be much more receptive

[GTS]

JEBar wrote
are you positive (make that way beyond positive) that the problem is not with your scope or its mount

Yes, I am absolutely certain that it is not the scope. As I mentioned, I modified a Weaver 63B scope base to fit the BBS mounting holes, which only required drilling and countersinking one new hole for the forward mounting screw. I did not mention in my previous post that I started with an old Weaver 8x scope that I sometimes use for this purpose. I switched to the 6-21x Simmons after seeing the terrible results on my first outing thinking that maybe the old Weaver had finally given up the ghost. This was not the case as the results were the same. As you mentioned, I too expect the results with factory ammo to be about the same. I am sure that Henry will make it right, I just hate to have to go through the process of sending it back for warranty work.

[GTS]

As expected, the factory loads I tried this weekend grouped as poorly as all of my hand loads.

Looks like a trip back to Henry is my next step.

[docscott]

GTS, how much difference is there in powder charges between pistol vs. rifle typically?

[Squatch]

Very interesting article in this months Handloader magazine on this cartridge. From what they said Federal is the factory ammo to buy. They actually invented a new powder just for this cartridge. The long slender case seems to make for some ignition consistency problems. It appears that wide speed variations are common. Not an easy cartridge to find a consistent load for. Even the factories are having fun with this one.

[JEBar]

Very interesting article in this months Handloader magazine on this cartridge. From what they said Federal is the factory ammo to buy. They actually invented a new powder just for this cartridge. The long slender case seems to make for some ignition consistency problems. It appears that wide speed variations are common. Not an easy cartridge to find a consistent load for. Even the factories are having fun with this one.

interesting .... this could certainly be a factor in some of the reports of grouping issues .... did the article give the name of the powder Federal is using

[Squatch]

No it's proprietary. Let me correct myself. It's not an article it's a Q+A column "Bullets and brass". Feb 2018 Issue. Seems the primer is also critical in their testing. Worth reading I would think if loading this cartridge.

[docscott]

Has anybody tried 71 grain bullets?

[GTS]

docscott,

I will need to check some other load data and get back to on that one. I should have both pistol and rifle data for .357, .41 & .44 mags.

[BobGinVA]

As far as "pistol vs. rifle" loads, go with the pistol loads...I don't differentiate. Find a load that shoots in your rifle and keep it. The pistol loads in a rifle will shoot at a higher velocity (by usually up to 200fps more). Rifles can handle higher pressures than pistols, but I personally wouldn't trust any more than magnum pistol loads. Now as far as bullet weight is concerned, look up the barrel twist. The faster the twist the "longer" (ie. heavier) the bullet needs to be to correctly stabilize. Marlin 357 rifles have a 38" twist, Rossi 92s have a 30" twist and Henrys have a 16' twist. Theoretically, and practically, the Marlins and Rossis shoot 125gr. bullets better than 158s. The Henry shoots the 158s better. Also, I'm not an internet "expert"...I have all three rifles and my expertise is based on real world experience.

[Shakey Jake]

I've had the best luck with Federal small magnum primers, Federal brass, and Accurate #9. I do have Starline brass as well but it seems to not be able to take the pressures very well. The Federal brass is from factory loads that I cycled through.

[CharlieW]

When I started loading up some .327's for my revolvers, I noted that some recommended loads corresponded with .38 special loads -- Unique powder, for example. I wondered about the case volume offset vs. the pressure difference. The .327's using that formula with 115 gr. bullets were pretty mild and seemed to be accurate. Has anybody else made that connection, or seen that discussed?

[Squatch]

There is a "Unique" load for just about every cartridge made. It's a fairly fast powder and has very little fill to it. It usually shoots pretty good in most any pistol cartridge. Don't sweat the large empty case volume. It's a non issue with Unique. Don't use filler with smokeless powder.

[docscott]

My SP101 4.2" likes 6.2 grains Unique with 85 Grain XTP. Group was well within an inch at 25 yards.

[docscott]

Shot the 85 grain XTPs with 6.2 grains Unique out of the carbine today at 50 yards. Group was ~2.5 wide and 1.25 high. I suppose will do in a pinch.
Still trying to find acceptable load for 100 grain XTPs.

[GTS]

I should have my rifle back on Wednesday, then it's off to the range this weekend. I hope they were able to pinpoint the issue I was having with accuracy.....we will see.

[Shakey Jake]

I'm going to try some True Blue on my next batch of reloads. The Lyman book says it's the most accurate for the 100 gr XTP load. The velocity and pressure are a bit lower than Accurate #9. I'll let you know how it turns out. I've got plenty of bullets loaded at this time. I started off with Power Pistol but found Accurate #9. I'd like to experiment with some Lil' Gun at some point unless someone's already tried it and it doesn't work.

[docscott]

I went all in with True Blue for the .327 and have had acceptable results.

[Mgderf]

I have found projectiles available that are 130grs, but I can't find any data to support such a heavy pill.
Would anyone care to share any data?

I've also seen pills as heavy as 150 grains, but again no data.
The heaviest pill I can find data for is 115gr.

[docscott]

Heaviest bullet weight I have found data for is 125gr cast. Accurate 5574 12.4 grains. Gas check recommended.