Peep Sight Adjustments

[BassCliff]

Greetings and Salutations,

I've taken my Henry .22 to my indoor range a couple of times now. I'm loving it. I'm still working on sighting it in. Here it is, a Small Game 20" octagonal barrel with Skinner peep sights. It's a great plinker.



For the first session I started at 10 yards and made a couple of adjustments as it was shooting high and left.



I got it sort of close then then moved it out to 25 yards, the maximum at my indoor range. This was the last target from my second practice session. I've been using my range bag as a rest.



I think I have pretty much maxed out the adjustment on the rear sight, it's a far down and right as it can go. The group seems to be pretty tight, I just want to center it better. I love the peep sight. It really works with my old eyes.

TBH, I may have a little more wiggle room for adjusting the windage to the right, but not much. I don't mind adjusting the elevation by varying my "six o'clock hold". That will change with distance anyway.

Should I file the slot to give me more windage adjustment? Do I need a different cheek weld? I'm just doing what comes naturally, what feels right. Maybe there are some techniques you could share. I would appreciate any pointers. I'd like to be able to shoot this thing 1MOA at 50 yards and maybe 2MOA at 100 yards. Well, that's the goal anyway. Perhaps you can help me get close.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

[Cofisher]

It's time to drift the front sight. Look up tutorials here or on you tube. Not difficult. Good luck.

[GunnyGene]

What you're experiencing with elevation is due to the Front sight not being tall enough. I'd suggest you get back on the Skinner site and order the next taller front sight. That will give you more room on the rear to adjust elevation. This is explained in the FAQ's page. From your pic, it looks like you have the gold bead front, so you may have to get a standard ramp type front, what they call the Guide Series. Talk to Skinner about this. https://skinnersights.com/collections/f ... ont-sights

https://skinnersights.com/pages/technical-information

When you are unable to adjust the rear sight to work for your rifle because the rifle shoots high you will need a taller front sight.

To eliminate the guesswork, you can calculate the additional height needed using this SIGHT CORRECTION CALCULATOR or, follow the math procedure below.

[GFK]

I don't consider my an expert, yet it seems like two different recommendations are being offered: drift front post (adjusting windage) or changing height of front post (adjusting elevation). From what I can see, I probably would address windage.

I had a similar results with a RPP Cloverleaf peep sight. Due to the size of the sight, the sight had limited windage adjustment. After replacing it with a traditional, smaller sight, I got better results:

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[GunnyGene]

I don't consider my an expert, yet it seems like two different recommendations are being offered: drift front post (adjusting windage) or changing height of front post (adjusting elevation). From what I can see, I probably would address windage.

I had a similar results with a RPP Cloverleaf peep sight. Due to the size of the sight, the sight had limited windage adjustment. After replacing it with a traditional, smaller sight, I got better results:

H009.jpg

He's already bottomed out on elevation at 25 yds. Given the ballistics of common 40gr .22lr, at 50yds he would be shooting high and not have any available elevation adjustment range on the rear sight. His only option then, would be Kentucky elevation (take a wag), or getting a taller Front Sight to compensate for the bullet trajectory for sight-in purposes. And of course windage can also be adjusted by drifting the front sight - again only for initial sight in. The top of the front post, or the gold bead, should always be centered in peep hole regardless of range or windage. You just change your POA while keeping that relationship between the peep and front sight constant. Or get a optic (red dot or scope).

[BassCliff]

Hi,

Wow! You all have given me a lot to chew on. I'll be taking my time and figuring out what's best for my old eyes and this new rifle. I have some tools, punches and stuff, to try drifting the front sight. I will also look into replacing the front sight with a taller blade. I just thought I'd try to get the stock sights to work before doing any surgery on the sight system. I move slow. I'll be back when I have more questions. I really appreciate the feedback.

Also, after posting here I noticed that there is a "Sights" section. Forgive me if this thread is in the wrong spot. The mods can feel free to move it.

Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

[GFK]

.. And of course windage can also be adjusted by drifting the front sight - again only for initial sight in. The top of the front post, or the gold bead, should always be centered in peep hole regardless of range or windage. You just change your POA while keeping that relationship between the peep and front sight constant. Or get a optic (red dot or scope).

I can understand; it would be nice for the post to be centered. That is a reason why I got a different peep sight. Yet, it is more important to hit what you are aiming for. That is why I would not rule out drifting the front post. However, another sighting system might be the way to go, scope. But, how much fun is target practice with a scope?

Henry+Optic+Blank-Rev-1.jpg

[BassCliff]

Hi,

I can understand; it would be nice for the post to be centered. That is a reason why I got a different peep sight. Yet, it is more important to hit what you are aiming for. That is why I would not rule out drifting the front post. However, another sighting system might be the way to go, scope. But, how much fun is target practice with a scope?

Henry+Optic+Blank-Rev-1.jpg

Sure, I thought about a scope. But I'd really rather not ruin the classic look of this rifle, ya know? I like going old school when I can. This will be fun, going through the process of tweaking these sights.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

[GunnyGene]

.. And of course windage can also be adjusted by drifting the front sight - again only for initial sight in. The top of the front post, or the gold bead, should always be centered in peep hole regardless of range or windage. You just change your POA while keeping that relationship between the peep and front sight constant. Or get a optic (red dot or scope).

I can understand; it would be nice for the post to be centered. That is a reason why I got a different peep sight. Yet, it is more important to hit what you are aiming for. That is why I would not rule out drifting the front post. However, another sighting system might be the way to go, scope. But, how much fun is target practice with a scope?

Henry+Optic+Blank-Rev-1.jpg

Yeah, I fought the idea of a big ol' scope on a lever gun for quite a while. Then I remembered "Back to the Future Part III" and Doc Emmett's rifle. . Maybe somebody in the optics biz could come up with something that "looks right" on a lever gun, but with the advantages of a scope, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xzCnDk21Kc

[Sir Henry]

If you replace the front sight with a taller one please consider a Marbles globe. EDIT: it’s a Lyman Globe.

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If you like rear peeps you’ll love front peeps.

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Or you can insert any number of front sights.

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[GunnyGene]

If you replace the front sight with a taller one please consider a Marbles globe.
IMG_4207.jpeg
If you like rear peeps you’ll love front peeps.
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Or you can insert any number of front sights.
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Now THAT is what I call Options! Unfortunately I can't find any mention of that on the Marbles website.

[GFK]

Yep, Sir Henry was the one who told my that I would like the traditional peep sight, and I do!

[Sir Henry]

If you replace the front sight with a taller one please consider a Marbles globe.
IMG_4207.jpeg
If you like rear peeps you’ll love front peeps.
IMG_4201.jpeg
Or you can insert any number of front sights.
IMG_4209.jpeg

Now THAT is what I call Options! Unfortunately I can't find any mention of that on the Marbles website.

My bad. It’s a Lyman 93 Globe.

[GunnyGene]

If you replace the front sight with a taller one please consider a Marbles globe.
IMG_4207.jpeg
If you like rear peeps you’ll love front peeps.
IMG_4201.jpeg
Or you can insert any number of front sights.
IMG_4209.jpeg

Now THAT is what I call Options! Unfortunately I can't find any mention of that on the Marbles website.

My bad. It’s a Lyman 93 Globe.

Thanks, I'll take a look. I like the concept. Might even buy one.

[Sir Henry]

Now THAT is what I call Options! Unfortunately I can't find any mention of that on the Marbles website.

My bad. It’s a Lyman 93 Globe.

Thanks, I'll take a look. I like the concept. Might even buy one.

I highly recommend them. You can buy inserts with posts of different heights and change them for different distances. Some have beads on top for aiming center and some have flattops for a six-o’clock hold. My favorite are the front peeps which fit different sized bullseye targets. You’re centered when there is an equal distance around the bullseye. Or for extreme distance you can put out a target with a black field and white bullseye. You are centered when it’s the brightest. This works great in full sunshine.

[GunnyGene]

My bad. It’s a Lyman 93 Globe.

Thanks, I'll take a look. I like the concept. Might even buy one.

My favorite are the front peeps which fit different sized bullseye targets. You’re centered when there is an equal distance around the bullseye. You are centered when it’s the brightest.

That's much like the selectable reticle in a Holosun reflex sight. I have a couple different models on pistols and long guns. I'll sight them in with just the dot, then switch to the circle only, so I end up with sight picture commonality between all of them and not have to think about different sight pictures whether I'm shooting my G21 Glock or Ruger Carbine (both are .45acp).

https://holosun.com/products/pistol-sig ... s-mos.html

[BassCliff]

Hi,

Wow! That's wild! I ain't never seen such a thing!

If you replace the front sight with a taller one please consider a Marbles globe. EDIT: it’s a Lyman Globe.
IMG_4207.jpeg
If you like rear peeps you’ll love front peeps.
IMG_4201.jpeg
Or you can insert any number of front sights.
IMG_4209.jpeg

With that as your front sight, do you still use a rear sight? Please pardon the nooby question. I'm not familiar with the Lyman Globe sight. I guess it's time for an internet search.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

[Sir Henry]

Hi,

Wow! That's wild! I ain't never seen such a thing!

If you replace the front sight with a taller one please consider a Marbles globe. EDIT: it’s a Lyman Globe.
IMG_4207.jpeg
If you like rear peeps you’ll love front peeps.
IMG_4201.jpeg
Or you can insert any number of front sights.
IMG_4209.jpeg

With that as your front sight, do you still use a rear sight? Please pardon the nooby question. I'm not familiar with the Lyman Globe sight. I guess it's time for an internet search.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

Yes you do.

[BassCliff]

Hello again,

If you replace the front sight with a taller one please consider a Marbles globe. EDIT: it’s a Lyman Globe.
IMG_4207.jpeg
If you like rear peeps you’ll love front peeps.
IMG_4201.jpeg
Or you can insert any number of front sights.
IMG_4209.jpeg

Before I replace the front sight I'd like to try to drift it first, hopefully to get some adjustment back on my rear sight. I have a kit with proper hammer and punches. Should I invest in a table vise to hold the barrel? Or can I turn the rifle on its side and tap the front sight a few times? I have a very thin tipped marker, from my C&H pistol optics install kit, to draw a line on barrel and sight to check the movement. I imagine it won't take much.

I know a proper vise would be optimal. Forgive me for not having a suitable gunsmithing area in the house. I just wanted to know if a "down and dirty" drift is possible, or is it wishful thinking? Thanks for sharing your thoughts.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

[GunnyGene]

Hello again,

If you replace the front sight with a taller one please consider a Marbles globe. EDIT: it’s a Lyman Globe.
IMG_4207.jpeg
If you like rear peeps you’ll love front peeps.
IMG_4201.jpeg
Or you can insert any number of front sights.
IMG_4209.jpeg

Before I replace the front sight I'd like to try to drift it first, hopefully to get some adjustment back on my rear sight. I have a kit with proper hammer and punches. Should I invest in a table vise to hold the barrel? Or can I turn the rifle on its side and tap the front sight a few times? I have a very thin tipped marker, from my C&H pistol optics install kit, to draw a line on barrel and sight to check the movement. I imagine it won't take much.

I know a proper vise would be optimal. Forgive me for not having a suitable gunsmithing area in the house. I just wanted to know if a "down and dirty" drift is possible, or is it wishful thinking? Thanks for sharing your thoughts.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

It can be done. What you want is to drift the sight so it is perfectly aligned with the bore vertical centerline. Not easy to do just by eyeballing it. We're talking thousands of an inch.