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Winchester is introducing a new cartridge on the market. Looks like a perfect fit for lever guns. I'll be watching his one

https://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2019/01 ... 50-legend/

https://winchester.com/350-Legend

Michael


NOTE: the links in the original post did not work .... that has been corrected .... Jim

that would most certainly be in interesting cartridge ....

350 Legend Cartridge Features

More ENERGY than 30-30 Win, 300 Blackout and 223 Rem
World’s fastest straight-walled cartridge
Approximately 20% LESS RECOIL than 243 Win with 20% more PENETRATION
LESS RECOIL than 450 Bushmaster
With an effective deer hunting range up to 250 yards, it deposits more energy than 5.56mm, 300 Blackout, and .30-30 Win.
Utilizes modified straight-walled .223 Rem shellcase and a .357 diameter bullet
Compliant in states that allow straight wall cartridges for deer hunting **

one concern ---- as shown, I don't see any mention of it being safe for use in tubular magazines

JEBar wrote: ... one concern ---- as shown, I don't see any mention of it being safe for use in tubular magazines

Doesn't appear likely with those bullets. Would probably have to come out with a flat point or a gummy tip, but, even then, there would be a potential liability issue because sooner or later, someone would stick one of those spire points in a tubular mag and have an accident. That's why factory ammo for cartridges designed for use in tubular mags have never been offered in a spire point option. Other than a bolt action, best bet for this new cartridge in a Henry would be the single shot or the Long Ranger.

The pic of the rounds in the link about it shows a FP & RN so maybe those will be offered as well.
It will no doubt be a great round to reload as one will be able to use .357 pistol bullets in it.

Interesting! I looked at the WInchester Web site to check out the ballistics. You can easily compare it to the .35 Remington, since it's right next to it on the list. The 180 grain Power Point in the new round and a 200 grain Power Point .35 Remington are awfully close to the same in performance. Maybe Henry will decide to chamber this round in their rifles, since it's a shiny new thing . I still think I'd prefer the .35 Remington, though.

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Can't get to the webpages the urls aren't working. Looks like they got truncated.

Blackdog wrote:Winchester is introducing a new cartridge on the market. Looks like a perfect fit for lever guns. I'll be watching his one

https://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2019/01 ... 50-legend/

https://woodburyoutfitters.com/the-trai ... cartridge/

Michael

These will get you there, Mags.

https://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2019/01 ... 50-legend/

https://woodburyoutfitters.com/the-trai ... nd-rifles/

Mags wrote:.
Can't get to the webpages the urls aren't working. Looks like they got truncated.

Blackdog wrote:Winchester is introducing a new cartridge on the market. Looks like a perfect fit for lever guns. I'll be watching his one

https://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2019/01 ... 50-legend/

https://woodburyoutfitters.com/the-trai ... cartridge/

Michael

North Country Gal wrote:Doesn't appear likely with those bullets. Would probably have to come out with a flat point or a gummy tip, but, even then, there would be a potential liability issue because sooner or later, someone would stick one of those spire points in a tubular mag and have an accident. That's why factory ammo for cartridges designed for use in tubular mags have never been offered in a spire point option. Other than a bolt action, best bet for this new cartridge in a Henry would be the single shot or the Long Ranger.

NOTE: in the original link provided only showed the sharp point .... in the corrected links, other bullets are shown .... other links edited by CT are also active ... Jim

Comparing the Balistics of the 35rem and the Legend in 180gr bullets the 35rem wins.
The Legend bullets are .357 the 35rem are .358.
The Legend is rimless case and so is the 35rem.

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The 350 Legend round is initially offered in six variations:
https://www.shootingillustrated.com/art ... cartridge/
Deer Season XP - 150-grain Extreme Point
Super X - 180-grain Power-Point
Hog Special - 180-grain Power-Point
USA White Box - 145-grain FMJ Flat Nose
Power Max Bonded - 160-grain Bonded JHP
Super Suppressed - 265-grain Open Tip

So, who is making rifles in this new cartridge besides Winchester?

Shakey Jake wrote:So, who is making rifles in this new cartridge besides Winchester?

no clue .... IF Henry was to start producing them and IF Starline started producing brass for them, I'd have to take a close look

given that since it fires a 357 bullet and most manufactures are already producing barrels that fire bullets that size, it shouldn't take a major retooling .... I suspect that a manufacture could bring rifles to market for a relatively small investment

So, who is making rifles in this new cartridge besides Winchester?

This will be the ‘crap shoot’ for other manufacturers.
Most will probably watch carefully how the market reacts to it before committing to production - and that could be awhile.

I think they are looking for a younger crowd with this cartridge.
AR, Blackout 300, suppressed, ported, no wood types.
A 223 type auto rifle change the barrel boom, boom.
I know very little about that.

Yes that would be a great lever and BFR revolver cartridge!!

Yes it is a natural for a handy whitetail lever rifle and that would be the most desirable platform IMO....a Henry, 94, or 336 would be very nice...

I did some reading up on this round tonight.
It's based on a blown out .223 case which tells me adaptability in an AR platform was probably A consideration during development.
Because it's rimless it's doubtful a level action will be made for it but it would shine in a SS rifle.
Basically an 'improved' .357 Magnum round.

Case is slightly longer than the 357 maximum. I read the built of the 223 case and its rimless. Still the max has a small following and I wonder how popular this will be.

and I wonder how popular this will be.

Probably not unlike any other 'new' cartridge introduced in say the last 30 years or less - limited to possibly nearly obsolescent in a few years.
Most popular cartridges of today are so because when they were introduced there was essentially nothing like them at the time and they were pretty dramatic improvements over what was currently being used so they're popularity increased and they became the 'standards' of today and almost everyone 'has one' now. Examples would be .357 Mag, 30-30, 30- '06 etc.
Unfortunately most new cartridges are really just variations of something similar and already available and in use and typically don't offer that great of an improvement as to influence one into buying a rifle in the new caliber.
A couple examples of short lived 'new' cartridges are the various Winchester Short Magnums, .375 Winchester. .327 Magnum and the list is long.

Did some reading up on the 350 Legend, too. Seems to have the AR platform crowd all abuzz, for sure, but the reaction I'm seeing from the lever gun and traditional crowd has been much more cautious and muted. If the AR folks like it, though, it has a chance of making it. For me, personally, though, it does nothing that a whole basket of traditional cartridges can't do at least as well or better. Have no plans to have a custom Contender barrel made in the 350 Legend, in other words.