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Pond Work

Post by BrokenolMarine » Sat Sep 20, 2025 1:21 pm

In the years we have been here, we have had the ups and downs with our pond. It was advertised in the sale as being spring fed and the seller told us it was twenty feet deep in the center. We later found out it was about six to eight feet deep and the pond level rose and feel at the urgings of the weather, the rain and sun was the boss. When we had the main creek widened to ease the force of the water on the culvert passing under the road, the heavy equipment operator looked at the pond, and declared that if it ever WAS twenty feet deep, they were measuring from the top of the berm. :lol: He built ponds all the time, in fact was leaving our job to go and start one. He did say it was possible that the pond HAD been fed by a small spring and the spring had been silted over and blocked.

While we had the backhoe on hand, we had an area exposed by the summer heat and had the backhoe operator dig two test holes where it might have been and... no joy. The holes were left open for twenty four hours and there was no water flow in the bottom, and they were six feet deep and six feet long and the width of the bucket. We backfilled the holes.

The decision was made to drain the pond and let it dry out completely, if it would. Then the decision would be made to:

1. Dig the pond out deeper, to the clay base and properly form the pond to prevent leakage and attempt to locate the spring, if one is there. - or - let the properly formed pond refill by Mother Nature's graces. This process will likely take a year.

2. If we decide NOT to rebuild the pond, fill the pond back in and seed the area and add that 3/4 of an acre back to the pasture. The maintenance of the area would become much easier. We don't "need" the pond to water livestock any longer and don't plan to sell the farm so it's not a "Selling Point" we need to worry about.

Our guy got to work on the project, first going behind the dam on the low side, where the water would drain directly downhill to the main creek, then flow under the road to the river. He started by cutting a large opening in the back of the dam where he could place the backhoe to cut a slot to control the flow of the pond.

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The cut took about four hours, as he also cut a drainage ditch to control the direction of the flow, and keep erosion to a minimum. Once he was ready, he put the Backhoe in place he made the cut and the water started it's trip. The color of the water in the pond is due to the pond dye Tina added every six months. NOT harmful to the fish, frogs, etc, but controlled the weed growth and algae. Available in several colors, we liked the blue.

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From the backside of the cut you can see the size of the cut through the dam. Small enough to maintain control, but large enough to allow good flow. As the flow would slow, Jimmy would take another deeper bite, deeper, not wider.

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After twenty four hours the level of the pond had dropped dramatically, and the flow had stopped. It rained hard the next morning, so the ground in the working area was slick and dangerous. We'll look at making additional cuts and working more on the pond on Monday, if possible. Otherwise, we will have to wait for the sun to do it's work and harden the exposed areas enough for the backhoe to drive onto the area and cut a ditch line.

It could take a while.

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We'll keep you posted. Regardless of the outcome, the horseshoe berm will be going. The entire berm was built from topsoil pulled down from the hayfield. Not the way you normally build the dams.
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Re: Pond Work

Post by The Happy Kaboomer » Sat Sep 20, 2025 2:56 pm

Loose your fish?.........A pond is a wonderful thing to have........By all means fix it. I have one dug in the edge of a Carolina Bay.......It too is subject to the weather........I installed a Hi-volume-low pressure pump( 50gal a minute). That I run when the water starts going down.......Never will lose my fish again.
Look up evaporation charts for bodies of water......it will stun you on how much a one acre body of water will loose to evaporation in one day.
Good luck and keep us posted

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Re: Pond Work

Post by BrokenolMarine » Sat Sep 20, 2025 3:55 pm

The Happy Kaboomer wrote:
Sat Sep 20, 2025 2:56 pm
Loose your fish?.........A pond is a wonderful thing to have........By all means fix it. I have one dug in the edge of a Carolina Bay.......It too is subject to the weather........I installed a Hi-volume-low pressure pump( 50gal a minute). That I run when the water starts going down.......Never will lose my fish again.
Look up evaporation charts for bodies of water......it will stun you on how much a one acre body of water will loose to evaporation in one day.
Good luck and keep us posted
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The Blue Herons have been feasting the last month with the low water levels, as well as the foxes, bobcats, racoons and the like. We had a good number of bass, crappie, catfish, and sunfish in the pond, but the levels continued to drop in the last couple years, especially last year when the drought dried out a number of ponds around us and ours dramatically dropped. With the spring rain, ours filled up to overflowing the low end, but a few months later was back down to moderate.

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Re: Pond Work

Post by BrokenolMarine » Sat Sep 20, 2025 3:57 pm

We hope to be able to keep the pond, but the work is fine if it can be saved. The cost and maintenance isn't worth it if there isn't a spring to feed it. We no longer have the livestock here, and won't have again while WE own the place. IF we do get the pond healthy again, we'll certainly restock it. We like to fish it.
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Post by Sir Henry » Sat Sep 20, 2025 8:58 pm

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Re: Pond Work

Post by BrokenolMarine » Mon Nov 17, 2025 11:28 pm

We gave the pond some time to settle after opening the notch to drain. We had hoped that the pond would show evidence of the spring we were told had been the source. However, as we suspected, it appears that the seller built the pond by pushing a horseshoe shaped dam of topsoil into place on the downslope of the north pasture and allowing runoff to keep the "Retention Pond" filled. It's position allowed it to collect runoff from not only OUR North pasture, but creek overflow from the east hayfield of the neighbor, and creek runoff from the west during very heavy rains. During really heavy drought, no runoff, the pond would drop ten feet or so.

One of our local neighbors in the area specializes in ponds and after a consult, recommended filling it in rather than either expanding it, or investing time and money in maintaining the pond. We started with this after that waiting period.

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Our guy brought in the dozer and got started by pushing the dams down and slowly moving the dirt toward the center to force the water into the drainage.

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As you can see, he would line up the piles and force the water toward the outlet. Our guy has decades of heavy equipment experience and builds ponds for a living. He's got it down pat. It was a pleasure to watch him work.

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A bit later he brought in the heavy guns, his excavator, to move the wider part of the dam at the back plus that larger pile of topsoil our first guy had piled high. He could have moved it with the dozer, but it would have taken longer. He used the excavator to drop the dirt in the center of the dry pond area, then later to dig a hole at the back of the pond and pull the mud from the last of the pond to allow dry topsoil to be dropped into place to soak up moisture.

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Over two days, he made the dam and the pond turn into a smooth area we could seed, and by next spring Miss T can plant with fescue and be mowing by late summer.

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If we had planned on bringing back livestock, we would have kept a pond. But maintenance of the dam, mowing and weedeating, trimming the trees and brush back, was just too much. Plus the snakes and such... :roll:
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Re: Pond Work

Post by BrokenolMarine » Mon Nov 17, 2025 11:32 pm

I should note that I saw the operator do things that left me amazed. He took the dozer UP on the top of the dam, engaged the rear hooks and drove around the top of the berm to break up the soil. Miss T wouldn't drive the bushhog and tractor up there, the drop off on the back side is (was) about 15 feet on the south side. I also saw him engage the hooks on the inside face of the south side and drive the dozer at a 45 degree angle around the inside of the dam to break up the soil to make the dam easier to break up and push. It was impressive to see that skill at work.
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