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Elio Type Vehicle Resurection --- AKA the BEX
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Re: Elio Type Vehicle Resurection --- AKA the BEX
Per Mark BEX ....
A Facebook group member did this
A Facebook group member did this
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Did the right side today ..
Did the right side today ..
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Re: Elio Type Vehicle Resurection --- AKA the BEX
in answer to the following comment : "The original idea was easily/locally sourceable and modifiable body panels in the event of an accident or damage. I understand _why_ you are making them out of fiberglass, but it seems like it makes you the sole provider."
Mark responded : "I have a plan.
Doors were always my biggest concern, they stay OEM."
Mark responded : "I have a plan.
Doors were always my biggest concern, they stay OEM."
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Re: Elio Type Vehicle Resurection --- AKA the BEX
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I will likely know about 4 or 5" out of the tail, something like this ..
I will likely know about 4 or 5" out of the tail, something like this ..
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Re: Elio Type Vehicle Resurection --- AKA the BEX
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picture 1 .... Got the roof filled in, don't ask me about rear window, haven't decided yet.
picture 2 .... Also quite confident this is the production front crossmember, so designed and laser cut the steering rack mounts today.
picture 1 .... Got the roof filled in, don't ask me about rear window, haven't decided yet.
picture 2 .... Also quite confident this is the production front crossmember, so designed and laser cut the steering rack mounts today.
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Re: Elio Type Vehicle Resurection --- AKA the BEX
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I forgot I had this video, shows the rear valance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-kLBTbDoN0
I forgot I had this video, shows the rear valance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-kLBTbDoN0
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And what's the point of a steering rack if you don't have one of those round things to move it with ...
I went to a static art display today, it wasn't very moving.
And what's the point of a steering rack if you don't have one of those round things to move it with ...
I went to a static art display today, it wasn't very moving.
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Re: Elio Type Vehicle Resurection --- AKA the BEX
Interesting photos but I wonder if this thing will ever be anything that goes down the road. Henry Ford said "If I asked them what they wanted they would have said faster horses".
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Elio Corporation proved that there is a market but they squandered their chance to bring their trike to market .... there are some under production today but none have the key features of the BEX .... I have no doubt that Mark will manufacture them and firmly believe he will find a world wide market
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Believe it or not, quiet in the forum means nothing, I have been working my backside off, 3 days and nights in CAD, there is so much optimisation to be done to make things accurate, easy to reproduce, and less parts.
But also, I am extending the front of the floor to meet the steering rack and lower control arm crossmember to be able to accept lateral loads better.
This CAD picture is looking at the front of the floor from underneath. Red is the crossmember, and the arrows is the exhaust tunnel.
Believe it or not, quiet in the forum means nothing, I have been working my backside off, 3 days and nights in CAD, there is so much optimisation to be done to make things accurate, easy to reproduce, and less parts.
But also, I am extending the front of the floor to meet the steering rack and lower control arm crossmember to be able to accept lateral loads better.
This CAD picture is looking at the front of the floor from underneath. Red is the crossmember, and the arrows is the exhaust tunnel.
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in answer to this comment ===> "Curious about the exhaust system. Will it have access covers? Stainless? All custom bent?"
Mark responded ===> "As far as I can see, the exhaust only needs 3 bends from the engine to a straight run from front to rear tucked up in the rh side sill tunnel, then at the rear end, a 'U' turn or 90 degree into the muffler."
"Access"? It's exposed underneath most of it's entire length.
"Stainless"? This is a budget car ....
Mark responded ===> "As far as I can see, the exhaust only needs 3 bends from the engine to a straight run from front to rear tucked up in the rh side sill tunnel, then at the rear end, a 'U' turn or 90 degree into the muffler."
"Access"? It's exposed underneath most of it's entire length.
"Stainless"? This is a budget car ....
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So the optimisation process in CAD that I thought would take me 2 days, has taken me 5+ days, that's day and night, and I am very happy. I have reduced the parts count, and made things fit better.
I will start converting all the parts to CNC files now, cut, fold and assemble, and am confident that this is the final iteration of the chassis for production.
Yes I will rebuild him, I have the technology, and now will be better, stronger, faster, and will only cost you $6 million dollars.
So the optimisation process in CAD that I thought would take me 2 days, has taken me 5+ days, that's day and night, and I am very happy. I have reduced the parts count, and made things fit better.
I will start converting all the parts to CNC files now, cut, fold and assemble, and am confident that this is the final iteration of the chassis for production.
Yes I will rebuild him, I have the technology, and now will be better, stronger, faster, and will only cost you $6 million dollars.
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After a lot of hours, ready to laser cut and start preparing what is hopefully the last iteration of a chassis for the BEX over the next few days ...
After a lot of hours, ready to laser cut and start preparing what is hopefully the last iteration of a chassis for the BEX over the next few days ...
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Today's folding went very well, very pleased with the results.
Today's folding went very well, very pleased with the results.
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Good to see physical production happening.
I'm your Huckleberry
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This video >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-_fb2Wi0JY <<<< is about rivnuts which I have decided to use quite extensively in the BEX.
I have always been aware of rivnuts, love the theory of them, but I have found in the real world that they spin in their hole, especially when trying to make repairs, so I have never entertained using them...
... until recently when i discovered hex shapes rivnuts that of course can not spin in the hole, and with the ease of laser cutting hex shaped holes, it's a no brainer to incorporate them, and already proving to be a winner the last few days.
12 x rivnuts are incorporated each side into the main front rails to bolt the outer rail skin on
This video >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-_fb2Wi0JY <<<< is about rivnuts which I have decided to use quite extensively in the BEX.
I have always been aware of rivnuts, love the theory of them, but I have found in the real world that they spin in their hole, especially when trying to make repairs, so I have never entertained using them...
... until recently when i discovered hex shapes rivnuts that of course can not spin in the hole, and with the ease of laser cutting hex shaped holes, it's a no brainer to incorporate them, and already proving to be a winner the last few days.
12 x rivnuts are incorporated each side into the main front rails to bolt the outer rail skin on
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The firewall welded together quite well, I had to wait 2 days for my welder to get back into town.
The main front rails bolt on with the rivnuts, 11 bolts per side, worked out very well, except I had to move all the boltholes 2mm (5/64") forward, the paint blobs are the boltholes I elongated and sanded the burrs.
A lot easier to assemble, lower parts count as mentioned, and no apparent changes need to be made other than the 2mm adjustment of the boltholes.
I will attempt to mate it up to the floorpan tomorrow.
The firewall welded together quite well, I had to wait 2 days for my welder to get back into town.
The main front rails bolt on with the rivnuts, 11 bolts per side, worked out very well, except I had to move all the boltholes 2mm (5/64") forward, the paint blobs are the boltholes I elongated and sanded the burrs.
A lot easier to assemble, lower parts count as mentioned, and no apparent changes need to be made other than the 2mm adjustment of the boltholes.
I will attempt to mate it up to the floorpan tomorrow.
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Chipping away at it, pleased that only minor mods and thought required, nothing extroidanary so far ...
Thoughts such as the order of assembly, not the assembly itself.
As you can see, the front main rails and crossmember have been removed via unbolting them, only mere minutes to accomplish that.
MY NOTE : contrast picture with the one above
Chipping away at it, pleased that only minor mods and thought required, nothing extroidanary so far ...
Thoughts such as the order of assembly, not the assembly itself.
As you can see, the front main rails and crossmember have been removed via unbolting them, only mere minutes to accomplish that.
MY NOTE : contrast picture with the one above
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Lots of fiddling today, but going rather smoothly.
Got the exhaust tunnel in ....
Lots of fiddling today, but going rather smoothly.
Got the exhaust tunnel in ....
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The purpose I exist with this project is an alternative to Elio, which means gasoline power, but 2nd cab off the rank is planned to be EV, and trying to make the car modular where possible to make the changeover to EV models later as easy and as cheaply as possible.
Batteries is another issue, next year should see Sodium NA batteries being at least being made in limited production, and they are my preference, becuase:
1/2 to 2/3rds the price.
Work down to -40 degrees.
Do not catch fire or explode.
Downside is they are slightly heavier, or less range, take you choice, but, in cold temps they do not lose any range like lithium does, so in those conditions one could say they are lighter or more range
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQE56ksVBB4
The purpose I exist with this project is an alternative to Elio, which means gasoline power, but 2nd cab off the rank is planned to be EV, and trying to make the car modular where possible to make the changeover to EV models later as easy and as cheaply as possible.
Batteries is another issue, next year should see Sodium NA batteries being at least being made in limited production, and they are my preference, becuase:
1/2 to 2/3rds the price.
Work down to -40 degrees.
Do not catch fire or explode.
Downside is they are slightly heavier, or less range, take you choice, but, in cold temps they do not lose any range like lithium does, so in those conditions one could say they are lighter or more range
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQE56ksVBB4