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44 BBB, and 250 Keith; Update

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:17 pm
by Vaquero
Yep, back over to the barn for a guick test.
Couple days ago I mentioned that I hadn't found a cast load that mune liked.
Well a buddy here talked to a buddy of his and they suggested the Keith style bullet and a load.
Knowing that the bullet wasn't going to cycle through the Henry as it was supposed to be loaded.
I seated mine to 1.635, that's the longest mine will cycle, and probably should have backed off the charge a bit.
But I didn't and there were no bad results, actually this is probably the best group I have had with a cast bullet.
At least I have a pretty good starting spot, thanks Tom.
Ok, all shots 50yds all bullets were loaded with 19.5 grs 2400.
First pic the lower group were the first not bad huh?
With a slight rear sight adjustment is the next group, had one round not fire. Haven't tore it down but guess bad primer.
Second pic is a 245gr gc hp same load.
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RP

Re: 44 BBB, and 250 Keith

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:27 pm
by RanchRoper
Looking good.

Re: 44 BBB, and 250 Keith

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:17 pm
by fortyshooter
Do you have a picture of one of those 250 gr. K bullets loaded? Nice group with that load!

Re: 44 BBB, and 250 Keith

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:25 pm
by BigAl52
Ya I like that group with that 250 Keith bullet Randy. Think Id load some more of those for sure. So do they cycle good when loaded that way or do you still need to work with the lever a bit?

Re: 44 BBB, and 250 Keith

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:32 pm
by Vaquero
Al, they cycle just fine, oh yeah I plan on loading more.
I will adjust the powder down some and even maybe up a couple tenths, and see what it looks like.

Hey, forty here you go, loaded just for you. :lol:

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RP

Re: 44 BBB, and 250 Keith

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:34 pm
by BigAl52
Aint nothin wrong with the way that looks. Id like to try some of Leadheads 230 Keiths in the 41 and maybe the 270 gr Keiths in the 45 colt

Re: 44 BBB, and 250 Keith

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:43 pm
by Vaquero
I had a little concerns, not knowing where in the table that load actually fell.
But had already loaded them before it dawned on me, that I might have wanted to maybe back off a tenth or two.
After the first shot I stopped and looked and everything looked normal so I went on.

I will do a little adjusting and see what happens, but
like I said I believe those lower first 5 shots to be the best group I have had with any cast bullet or load.
So I definitely have a better starting place now.

RP

Re: 44 BBB, and 250 Keith

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:56 pm
by fortyshooter
Vaquero wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:43 pm
I had a little concerns, not knowing where in the table that load actually fell.
But had already loaded them before it dawned on me, that I might have wanted to maybe back off a tenth or two.
After the first shot I stopped and looked and everything looked normal so I went on.

I will do a little adjusting and see what happens, but
like I said I believe those lower first 5 shots to be the best group I have had with any cast bullet or load.
So I definitely have a better starting place now.

RP
Well after you pull the trigger and the bolt is still in place...not in your eye.... you did OK !
I may try that with the one Al sent me.

Re: 44 BBB, and 250 Keith

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:18 pm
by BigAl52
Id like to see that forty with the 10 grain load. As I mentioned it wasnt at the top end of the load chart. Id be concerned if it was toward max end about seating a bullet deeper for sure. I remember the 180's that hornady had did have 2 crimp grooves on them.

Re: 44 BBB, and 250 Keith; Update

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:21 pm
by Vaquero
Okay, a little more testing, same 50yds and bullet, just did a little ladder test with the 2400.
19.2
19.3
19.4
19.5
19.6
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Re: 44 BBB, and 250 Keith; Update

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:30 pm
by Vaquero
The rest
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The ole rifle
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Re: 44 BBB, and 250 Keith; Update

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:50 pm
by BigAl52
Man 19.4 looks real good to me at 50 yards. Thats some good shooting Randy

Re: 44 BBB, and 250 Keith; Update

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:03 pm
by Vaquero
Kind of a toss up between it and 19.3, I sure that one straggler in the 19.4 was operator error. :lol:
But that's about all I can do without a scope.

Thanks for the kind words.

RP

Re: 44 BBB, and 250 Keith; Update

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:56 pm
by BigAl52
Im pretty sure that those loads would be ringin steel at Randys house out dat barn

Re: 44 BBB, and 250 Keith; Update

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:45 pm
by fortyshooter
Great results with the 19.4 and 19.3 ! I will have to try those loads. Thanks for all that test work too!

Re: 44 BBB, and 250 Keith; Update

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:04 pm
by fortyshooter
I just did some measuring and found that...that bullet seated to 1.635 in the Magnum case has the same powder space as seated to
1.620 in a .44 Special case when seated to the crimp groove!
Interesting!

Re: 44 BBB, and 250 Keith; Update

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:33 am
by Vaquero
I don't have any special brass all mine are magnum.
I will be trying some more of those two.
Your right though Al, with either of those should work easily.

RP

Re: 44 BBB, and 250 Keith; Update

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:44 am
by fortyshooter
In .44 Special case same as the famous Elmer Keith load but with 18.5 gr. of the old 2400 powder.
.44 Special case on left and .44 Mag on right with 250 K bullet seated at roughly 1.635

Re: 44 BBB, and 250 Keith; Update

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:28 am
by Rifletom
Dang Randy, do believe you have a load or two for that .44 now. That is some fine shooting right there. WTG!

Re: 44 BBB, and 250 Keith; Update

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:30 am
by BigAl52
Looks like we might see a Forty range report with some of the 250's in his 44.