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Sept 5th 1860, Winchester Ammo

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:23 pm
by RanchRoper
My 1860 Henry, 45 Colt. BigAl, this one's for you...

As mentioned yesterday, I always really liked Winchester Super X 250 gr LFP factory ammunition. Took a box to the range today as I have not shot it for well over a year or more. Hard to compare to yesterday shooting my own reloads, as weather was different. No wind today at all. That makes a huge difference. However, it shot well and I still really like it.

50 yd work first, from 1 knee, open sights. Started off with 12 rounds...12" target re-used...



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Next is some 50 yd pheasant hunting, 4 rounds on each card....binoculars to cheat again... :D


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50 yds again, next I put the Joker on the board in a spot where there were not many bullet holes (so I could at least see the card...)....12 rounds at it, and some hits....Batman would approve...guess maybe 8 or 9 hits...




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Last is at 100 yds, and getting better I think...like I said, the wind is my enemy out past 50 yds...12 on the target, 2 into the wood. shooting again from 1 knee which I hope I am able to do with my 1885 High Wall when I get it. Don't know, 30" barrel could be interesting but will sure give it a try.


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Rifle is getting a nice patina on it don't you think? 8-) Hope you enjoyed the report, keep on shooting....RR


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Re: Sept 5th 1860, Winchester Ammo

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:43 pm
by PT7
Good to hear you still like that Win manufactured ammo, RR. And with either the Win or your reloads, I'd agree you're getting better. Happens when there is a lot of quality range time.

Plus you're focused on one rifle and one revolver only. They got to be like part of your hands, snugly fitting, just like when you hold those cards close! Good Range Report.

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Just call it a "peacock patina." ;)

PT7

Re: Sept 5th 1860, Winchester Ammo

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:47 pm
by RanchRoper
Appreciated PT7.

Re: Sept 5th 1860, Winchester Ammo

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:23 pm
by Mags
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Nope, but nice shooting and enjoyable report. Keep shooten' and reporten'.
RanchRoper wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:23 pm
... Rifle is getting a nice patina on it don't you think? 8-) Hope you enjoyed the report, keep on shooting....RR

Re: Sept 5th 1860, Winchester Ammo

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:56 pm
by BigAl52
Atta boy I knew you could do it. I think you have already shot more this week than I have all year.

Re: Sept 5th 1860, Winchester Ammo

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:07 pm
by RanchRoper
Haha...

Re: Sept 5th 1860, Winchester Ammo

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:50 pm
by Jdl447
Great looking targets. And gun.

Re: Sept 5th 1860, Winchester Ammo

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:53 pm
by JEBar
the Winchester factory ammo serves you well .... your ammo serves you equally well or better ... it also does so at considerably less cost .. 8-)

Re: Sept 5th 1860, Winchester Ammo

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:18 am
by RanchRoper
That is true.

Re: Sept 5th 1860, Winchester Ammo

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:24 am
by CT_Shooter
Thanks for another great range report, RR. Still setting the bar higher than most of us will ever meet (we all know one or two others of those here that DO meet it). ;)

Re: Sept 5th 1860, Winchester Ammo

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:15 am
by deano5150
Awesome shooting!

Re: Sept 5th 1860, Winchester Ammo

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:28 am
by North Country Gal
For sure, ammo can make a difference, but, in the end, it's always the shooter. You've proven that one, many times, RR. Thanks for another inspiring range report.

Re: Sept 5th 1860, Winchester Ammo

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:17 am
by RanchRoper
I have put about 500 rounds downrange in last couple of weeks. Time to reload a bunch. I ordered more 250gr lead so I want to load some beefy'er rounds for the 1885 when it shows up. He originally said Sept so hoping to see it soon. He only brings shipments in 2 or 3 times a year.

Re: Sept 5th 1860, Winchester Ammo

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:12 pm
by RanchRoper
I was thinking about the 2 range reports I posted from the 4th and 5th, and there is one difference that I did not consider. I focused on the ammo; reloads vs factory, and actually the factory was better between those two days. BUT....On the 4th I had the stock cover on my Henry. On the 5th I had taken it off. It's been on for awhile but I took it off just to check if the sun was doing anything to the color of the stock that's not covered vs what is covered. No difference but I am leaving it off because I actually prefer to pack cartridges in my belt. Anyhow, I had a better day shooting with it off the rifle, than I did with it on the rifle. I went back through some of my range reports and there seems to be a pattern of better results without a stock cover. Could it affect someone's shooting that much? Maybe. The crescent fits in tighter without the leather cover, maybe that makes a small difference in accuracy, or just comfort level while shooting which = accuracy. Interesting to think about, but not too long...:)

Here's is the belt I use....from Wild West Mercantile in Mesa AZ....a little detail on it but pretty basic, but I really like it. 2.5" width. Dark cherry oiled.

Re: Sept 5th 1860, Winchester Ammo

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:44 pm
by Ojaileveraction
Good catch RR.

One thing I was wondering about, Are you saving the right side of the targets for something? :roll:

Re: Sept 5th 1860, Winchester Ammo

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:11 am
by RanchRoper
Ya I am working on that....the pull to the left is an issue.

Re: Sept 5th 1860, Winchester Ammo

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:22 am
by PT7
RanchRoper wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:11 am
Ya I am working on that....the pull to the left is an issue.
So is this the question: "What component of controlling the trigger stroke is failing?" In the full movement of the rifle trigger, is there both the compression and the return which must be controlled? Most movement of the gun is generated by the interaction between the trigger and the trigger finger, so something must be out of kilter here.

RR, you said "I am working on that." How so? What are you doing, and what are you looking for? I know you mostly just love to shoot and are relaxed/content with that. But it sounds like you'd like to get your excellent off hand shooting results away from the left side of a target, and more consistently on the bull, right? It would be cool to do that, and I'd like to see it happen. At the same time, I'd like to myself learn what to do for such an improvement. I also often leave empty space on the right side of a target.
PT7

Re: Sept 5th 1860, Winchester Ammo

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:30 am
by JEBar
personally, his off hand groups are so consistent that I don't tend to believe there is much (if any) problem with his mechanics .... I suspect that what is needed is a tiny and I do mean tiny adjustment of the rear sight

Re: Sept 5th 1860, Winchester Ammo

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:52 am
by RanchRoper
Off to the range today with some of my reloads. Will see what happens. Watched a video on "rifle cant" recently, and how tilting either left or right, even the slightest affects trajectory....I suspect that might be the issue at times shooting off hand or from 1 knee.

Kirsten Joy Weiss...."perfect aim but still miss?"....check it out

Re: Sept 5th 1860, Winchester Ammo

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:35 am
by Ojaileveraction
JEBar wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:30 am
personally, his off hand groups are so consistent that I don't tend to believe there is much (if any) problem with his mechanics .... I suspect that what is needed is a tiny and I do mean tiny adjustment of the rear sight
Yeah.