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Small Game Carbine Amunition

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:02 pm
by Steve
I got out to shoot with my daughter yesterday, we had a great time, had to lean on the bench not to get blown away though.

I shot comparison loads with the Small Game Carbine. My purpose was to see which of the loads shot close to others so I could interchange loads and still know where it is shooting. I plan on doing most of the shooting with the SGC at 25 yards or less.

The wind was blowing and I only shot from 20 yards. Was pretty steady from the bench.
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I added the Skinner front post to the rifle so I could lower the shot. Most of them before were an inch above point of aim.
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The ammunition I will use from this target comparison is below.

Usual ammunition to feed .22cal “Small Game Carbine”.

CCI Mini-Mag 36 gr HP
Remington Golden Bullet LR
Winchester 333 plated 36 gr HP
Blazer 40 gr RN

Other choices for “Small Game Carbine”.

CCI Stinger = 1 inch high at 20 yd = Larger Varmint to 100 yards
Remington Sub Sonic = bigger group 1-1/4 @ 20 yd
CCI Quiet 22 LR = 1 inch high at 20 yd
CCI CB SHORT 29 gr = 1 inch high 20 yards
Remington plated RN short = 1 inch high @ 20 yards
Remington CBee 22 Low Noise 22 LR HP = 1 inch high 20 yards

Re: Small Game Carbine Amunition

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:58 pm
by Sir Henry
Seems most ammo is shooting around an inch high at 20 yards. I zero mine to 1/2" high at 25 yards. For standard velocity that will put it dead center at 50 yards. Which ammo shoot the tight group in the second picture?

Re: Small Game Carbine Amunition

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:06 pm
by PT7
Good shooting with that wind blowing strong!

I have/use two of the ammo brands you shot, and my SGC likes them:
CCI Mini-Mag 36 gr HP
Remington Golden Bullet LR

Others that I use, and do quite well are these four:
Aguila 40gr High Velocity
Armscor 36gr High Velocity HP
Browning Performance Rimfire (BPR) 40gr RN
CCI Std Velocity 40gr LRN

I sighted in (tested) my rifle starting at 25 yards, and did final sight in at 50 yards. This was with the BPR 40gr....most liked by my SGC. A close second for accuracy is the Armscor 36gr. I think either would do for a rabbit or squirrel hunting round.

If you ever get any of these ammo, it would interesting to see what your comparisons would be. I never shoot with a bench rest, only to sight in. Always shoot standing off hand. So my accuracy would not be as good as yours is.

Interesting that you added the Skinner front post to lower the shot. Only had to adjust the receiver peep on mine 180* up to bring in good elevation. But certain that the SGCs are not created as identical twins!

Thanks for your comparison post....interesting results.

Steve wrote:I got out to shoot with my daughter yesterday, we had a great time, had to lean on the bench not to get blown away though.

I shot comparison loads with the Small Game Carbine. My purpose was to see which of the loads shot close to others so I could interchange loads and still know where it is shooting. I plan on doing most of the shooting with the SGC at 25 yards or less.

The wind was blowing and I only shot from 20 yards. Was pretty steady from the bench.

I added the Skinner front post to the rifle so I could lower the shot. Most of them before were an inch above point of aim.

The ammunition I will use from this target comparison is below.

Usual ammunition to feed .22cal “Small Game Carbine”.

CCI Mini-Mag 36 gr HP
Remington Golden Bullet LR
Winchester 333 plated 36 gr HP
Blazer 40 gr RN

Other choices for “Small Game Carbine”.

CCI Stinger = 1 inch high at 20 yd = Larger Varmint to 100 yards
Remington Sub Sonic = bigger group 1-1/4 @ 20 yd
CCI Quiet 22 LR = 1 inch high at 20 yd
CCI CB SHORT 29 gr = 1 inch high 20 yards
Remington plated RN short = 1 inch high @ 20 yards
Remington CBee 22 Low Noise 22 LR HP = 1 inch high 20 yards

Re: Small Game Carbine Amunition

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:30 pm
by Steve
Sir Henry wrote:Seems most ammo is shooting around an inch high at 20 yards. I zero mine to 1/2" high at 25 yards. For standard velocity that will put it dead center at 50 yards. Which ammo shoot the tight group in the second picture?
Second target tight group, top right = CCI Quiet 22 LR (not much power)
The one that shows the promise on that sheet is the top left with the stacked up group. That variance probably came from my shoulder pressure. They are Winchester 333 plated 36 gr HP.

Re: Small Game Carbine Amunition

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:40 pm
by Sir Henry
I'm not surprised the slower ammo is shooting better for the most part. That close windage but loose elevation target of Winchester doesn't surprise me either. The elevation difference could be a variance of velocity.

Re: Small Game Carbine Amunition

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:47 am
by Steve
I have a unusual method of aiming:
I prefer point of aim = point of impact. The targets that picked for my usual shooting are hitting for the most part just under the center of the target. When I aim at lets say a standing ground squirrel I aim at the center of his head. If I pushed the shot a little high I still hit him. If the distance is further than 25 yards the shot will be lower which will blast him anyway.

The front post versus the round front sight:
The post makes me a wider, easier to see top edge of the front sight which is supposed to be my aim point. With the stock Henry sight I could not get any of those rounds listed at and below the aim point, most were about an inch hiigh. The Henry sight measure .460 inch high, the Skinner is .500 inch high. Where you see the rounds hitting I could not get that low with the stock sight.

Steve

Re: Small Game Carbine Amunition

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:56 pm
by Sir Henry
I have a different way of zeroing different rifles. For a .22LR Henry with a peep I'll zero it for 50 yards and will be close enough from 25 to 75 yards. But for a .17HMR CZ with a scope I zero it for 100 yards. Some of my scopes have turrets that will correct for other distances. The important thing is to zero a firearm for the way you shoot. What is right for me might not be right for you.