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Range Report: richochet back at me
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:09 pm
by Sir Henry
I’m out plinking again today shooting Quiet 22 at the pans at 25 yards. The Quiets don’t have enough energy to go through the pans and I got a few back at me. This picture shows what it did to the side of the garage.
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If you look close at the bullet you can see the orange paint.
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Re: Range Report: richochet back at me
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:30 pm
by BrokenolMarine
That's why all my plates angle toward the ground in front of the berm rather the hanging vertical, and I insist on shooting glasses / eye protection.
Re: Range Report: richochet back at me
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:46 pm
by Cofisher
I won’t show this to my son. He is very afraid of this. I like the idea of slanted targets. Glad you’re ok.
Re: Range Report: richochet back at me
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:19 pm
by Sir Henry
BrokenolMarine wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:30 pm
That's why all my plates angle toward the ground in front of the berm rather the hanging vertical, and I insist on shooting glasses / eye protection.
Pans hang where they want and swing when you hit them. The secret to shooting them safely is shoot ammo with enough power to go through them. I can get pans for a dollar at the Goodwill and they will take several hundred hits before needing to be retired. I do have a couple fixed plates and angle them down like you say.
Re: Range Report: richochet back at me
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:34 pm
by fortyshooter
If the pans are getting dented or cratered up that will cause ricochets back at you and other directions. A hard plate won't dent and the bullet fragments will splatter outward 90 degree from target as in splatter most of the time. A jacket bullet can send fragments back. Make sure the plate can swing easy. Fixed plates angled downward. One thing I don't shoot with BB or pellet rifles is those self sealing rubber targets. They will send right back at you over your head and you can hear it whizz bye.
Re: Range Report: richochet back at me
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:55 pm
by Sir Henry
fortyshooter wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:34 pm
If the pans are getting dented or cratered up that will cause ricochets back at you and other directions. A hard plate won't dent and the bullet fragments will splatter outward 90 degree from target as in splatter most of the time. A jacket bullet can send fragments back. Make sure the plate can swing easy. Fixed plates angled downward. One thing I don't shoot with BB or pellet rifles is those self sealing rubber targets. They will send right back at you over your head and you can hear it whizz bye.
I’ve learned the same thing about the self healing. Metal has to been hard and fixed or light enough the bullets will penetrate. Think of the pans as hard paper. Pellets and bb’s bounce back so can’t be shot. What I’m learning is Quiet 22’s are the same as pellets. Even HV shorts will penetrate the pans.
Re: Range Report: richochet back at me
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:27 pm
by North Country Gal
I've had similar experiences shooting homemade targets with both pellets and rimfires. When I shoot rimfire in the backyard, now, I only use rimfire rated bullet traps or heavy metal swingers rated for centerfire use. For pellets, I now stay away from the light flimsy stuff. If the metal can get dimpled or bent with a pellet, I won't use it. Too many close calls.
Some of those soft resealable targets actually come with instructions NOT to use them with pellets.
Re: Range Report: richochet back at me
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:48 pm
by markiver54
North Country Gal wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:27 pm
I've had similar experiences shooting homemade targets with both pellets and rimfires. When I shoot rimfire in the backyard, now, I only use rimfire rated bullet traps or heavy metal swingers rated for centerfire use. For pellets, I now stay away from the light flimsy stuff. If the metal can get dimpled or bent with a pellet, I won't use it. Too many close calls.
Some of those soft resealable targets actually come with instructions NOT to use them with pellets.
Good info. I did not know that.
Re: Range Report: richochet back at me
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:46 pm
by Sir Henry
North Country Gal wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:27 pm
I've had similar experiences shooting homemade targets with both pellets and rimfires. When I shoot rimfire in the backyard, now, I only use rimfire rated bullet traps or heavy metal swingers rated for centerfire use. For pellets, I now stay away from the light flimsy stuff. If the metal can get dimpled or bent with a pellet, I won't use it. Too many close calls.
Some of those soft resealable targets actually come with instructions NOT to use them with pellets.
I’m learning the Quiets are more like pellets. I haven’t had problems with SV.
Re: Range Report: richochet back at me
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:01 am
by North Country Gal
Quiets and the CB 22 Shorts I shoot have the same velocity, about 710 fps. The only difference is the bullet weight, 40 grains versus 29. Even the CBs, though, have more energy than my most powerful air rifle. That's why I only use steel bullet traps and heavy metal swinging targets even when shooting CBs. At 25 yards, getting hit with a CB or Quiet ricochet can still be potentially fatal or at least capable of a serious wound.
One issue with your hanging targets that may be increasing the odds of a ricochet is that they can twist and turn when hit, rather than move only in a single direction when hit. In my experiments with air gun targets, I know that in order to reduce the odds of a ricochet with a pellet, the pellet must flatten completely. It's when the pellet only hits a glancing blow and fails to flatten completely that I've had ricochets. With hanging targets that twist and turn every which way, getting a pellet to flatten is much less likely. Probably a similar thing happening when those Quiets fail to punch through your pans. Even at only 700 fps, a glancing blow could push a Quiet bullet off course. If you secured that pan so that it couldn't twist side to side when hit, I think you'd reduce the number of shots that fail to penetrate. Also from experience, a curved dish at the sides like your pan or any bent out of flat target is a recipe for getting ricochets. The curved side on your pan could have been what sent the bullets right back at you.
Hope I'm not being a nag. Just want to be a good neighbor and share my experience with ricochets. You guys are like family to me. Don't want to see anyone get hurt.
Re: Range Report: richochet back at me
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:57 pm
by Sir Henry
North Country Gal wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:01 am
Quiets and the CB 22 Shorts I shoot have the same velocity, about 710 fps. The only difference is the bullet weight, 40 grains versus 29. Even the CBs, though, have more energy than my most powerful air rifle. That's why I only use steel bullet traps and heavy metal swinging targets even when shooting CBs. At 25 yards, getting hit with a CB or Quiet ricochet can still be potentially fatal or at least capable of a serious wound.
One issue with your hanging targets that may be increasing the odds of a ricochet is that they can twist and turn when hit, rather than move only in a single direction when hit. In my experiments with air gun targets, I know that in order to reduce the odds of a ricochet with a pellet, the pellet must flatten completely. It's when the pellet only hits a glancing blow and fails to flatten completely that I've had ricochets. With hanging targets that twist and turn every which way, getting a pellet to flatten is much less likely. Probably a similar thing happening when those Quiets fail to punch through your pans. Even at only 700 fps, a glancing blow could push a Quiet bullet off course. If you secured that pan so that it couldn't twist side to side when hit, I think you'd reduce the number of shots that fail to penetrate. Also from experience, a curved dish at the sides like your pan or any bent out of flat target is a recipe for getting ricochets. The curved side on your pan could have been what sent the bullets right back at you.
Hope I'm not being a nag. Just want to be a good neighbor and share my experience with ricochets. You guys are like family to me. Don't want to see anyone get hurt.
I thing you are dead on about the pans being free to swing that prevents the Quiets from penetrating. Your solution of fixing the pans so they can’t would work. My solution is just not shoot the Quiets at them and stick with SV or HV.
And I’ve learned the same thing about the concave items I was using in Woodinville. My solution there was to turn them around so they were convex.
I’m also going to use more bullet traps.
Re: Range Report: richochet back at me
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:28 pm
by North Country Gal
Sounds right. Hopefully we'll get some better shooting weather, soon.
Re: Range Report: richochet back at me
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:33 pm
by Sir Henry
North Country Gal wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:28 pm
Sounds right. Hopefully we'll get some better shooting weather, soon.
Two inches of snow is in the forecast for tomorrow morning.
Re: Range Report: richochet back at me
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 7:02 pm
by North Country Gal
Yup, it's that time of year in the north country.
Re: Range Report: richochet back at me
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:45 am
by Oldbrass
Ralphy tried this with his Red Ryder
Re: Range Report: richochet back at me
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 1:23 pm
by Mags
Oldbrass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:45 am
Ralphy tried this with his Red Ryder
Ya me too. As a kid, BB richochet off concrete caught me in the cheek bone. Stung like heck, no other damage.
Re: Range Report: richochet back at me
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:23 pm
by rickhem
Sir Henry wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:09 pm
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Is that the result of a .22 rimfire? That looks a lot like a jacketed bullet, and way bigger than I'd think a "Quiet 22" bullet would be.
We used to run a match for our Bullseye league that we called Action Pistol. We had lots of steel plates in all different shapes as targets. Eventually, as some of the thinner metal plates got dented and cratered from being hit repeatedly, we started getting those coin shaped ricochets flying back on occasion. They looked exactly like your picture.
Re: Range Report: richochet back at me
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:01 am
by daytime dave
Good lessons and advice here.
Re: Range Report: richochet back at me
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:43 pm
by Sir Henry
rickhem wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:23 pm
Sir Henry wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:09 pm
AAF7A5D7-681C-4B25-AE3D-F72B305E70F3.jpeg
Is that the result of a .22 rimfire? That looks a lot like a jacketed bullet, and way bigger than I'd think a "Quiet 22" bullet would be.
We used to run a match for our Bullseye league that we called Action Pistol. We had lots of steel plates in all different shapes as targets. Eventually, as some of the thinner metal plates got dented and cratered from being hit repeatedly, we started getting those coin shaped ricochets flying back on occasion. They looked exactly like your picture.
Yes it was 22 rimfire quiets, 40 grain at 710 fps.