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Need some help with my Henry 45-70 loads?
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:53 pm
by highmountain
Hey fellas, so I got into the whole bullet casting ordeal and boy is that fun. Right now I have a noe 460425 bullet mold, it's a brass one, It drops some nice bullets. Anyway after i tried many different loads I ended up close to using 41gr of RL-7, my alloy is just air cooled wheel weights and test at a 12Bhn. It's pushing 1614fps using a chrono. Seems like the faster I push them the tighter my groups are getting. Shouldn't I be getting some bad leading or striping bullets pushing soft bullets so fast? And I'm hesitant to go any higher than 41gr. I do get some leading in the last few inches of my bore I am using BAC lube with bullets sized to .459. Also does anybody else use RL-7 using heavy bullets?
Re: Need some help with my Henry 45-70 loads?
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:44 pm
by bradf
I load 405 MBC with 42gr RL-7 at 1610 fps in my H010. These are coated so no leading. I have gone up to 45gr but the groups opened up significantly. There is really no reason to push it harder. 1600 fps is an attention getter on the receiving end.
Re: Need some help with my Henry 45-70 loads?
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:51 pm
by highmountain
I got back from the range today after loading up some with 40gr RL-7 and 40.5gr RL-7. Accuracy seems to be a real hit or miss, my first group was about 3 inches at 50yds ( yes I know that isnt very good at all). My second load was 40.5gr it measured about 6inches with one flyer that went way high. And I had leading in the last 6 inches of my barrel. I dont know why I am getting leading. I am using BAC lube, I even tried 45\45\10 and bore butter. All with the same results. I actually would like to be down around 1500fps but groups open up a lot when I go that slow. Any you fellas have any ideas at all???? I am really stumped on this one....
Re: Need some help with my Henry 45-70 loads?
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:56 am
by Hack
Each powder has a band of velocities it works best at. Above or below the band and accuracy falls off. Further outside the band is dangerous.
Squatch has been experimenting with Unique. I have shot his 45-70 with some of his loads (405 grain bullet and 12 grains of Unique) and it kicks like a .22. In other words, you can shoot it all day. Here is one of the posts discussing Unique.
http://henryrifleforums.com/viewtopic.p ... 27&p=16539
This is the loading data Squatch was using for low velocity.
http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm
Disclaimer: I am just providing the links and make no assertions as to the safety or reliability of the loads
Re: Need some help with my Henry 45-70 loads?
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:22 am
by ditto1958
As for 1600 fps with lead bullets, that doesn't seem to be a problem. The Lee manual has quite a few loads rated at that speed or faster.
Re: Need some help with my Henry 45-70 loads?
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:52 am
by Jdl447
Leading at the end of barrel indicates the bullets are running out of lube.
I would try rolling em in Alox after lubing with the BAC just to see if the leading stops.
Re: Need some help with my Henry 45-70 loads?
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:40 pm
by highmountain
That's a good idea, I have a small toaster oven I'm gonna try heat treating them some and give them another go. If this doesn't pan out I might have to go with black powder, I tried a few of these a couple weeks ago and was surprised they held about a 2inch group with open sights at 50yds. Only problem I had was that I was only getting 1230fps. Kinda slow for my liking.....
Re: Need some help with my Henry 45-70 loads?
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:53 pm
by Travlin
Did you slug your barrel?