Old Army

[SingleAction357]

Why did this gun stop getting produced? I lust over them in my sleep, dreaming of modding them and hunting with them. They were the best C&B revolver bar none and it's a true shame new ones aren't coming out.

[North Country Gal]

Dropped after 2008, so still should be some around.

[SingleAction357]

I've been looking at aftermarket ones, but Ruger really dropped the ball. They could've used single six and bearcat frames respectively for .36 and .31 cal revolvers. I hope they bring these back.

[BigAl52]

Lipsys did a special run of them. But there asking price is off the charts. Around 1K to 1200. I recently aquired 2 of them with boxes in unfired condition. One is stainless the other is blue. I didnt need 2 but I had bid on the blue one and won it then the stainless came along and I threw a bid on it which I didnt think would fly but it did. They are without a doubt great cap and ball revolvers.

[Conax]

I always wanted one but the price and reality would intervene and I never actually bought one.
They are beautiful and well worth the price to some, but just not enough buyers to keep them in the model lineup.
I did buy a nice Uberti 1858 that shoots great, is a beauty and at a much lower cost.
That was many years ago. Cap and ball is just not popular in this new tacticool black AR laser sighted semi-auto gun paradigm, not at that price level anyway. I'm just relieved and happy to see companies like Henry building sweet lever actions for us.

[SingleAction357]

I always wanted one but the price and reality would intervene and I never actually bought one.
They are beautiful and well worth the price to some, but just not enough buyers to keep them in the model lineup.
I did buy a nice Uberti 1858 that shoots great, is a beauty and at a much lower cost.
That was many years ago. Cap and ball is just not popular in this new tacticool black AR laser sighted semi-auto gun paradigm, not at that price level anyway. I'm just relieved and happy to see companies like Henry building sweet lever actions for us.

That's why they should've done .36 and .31 caliber guns on single six and bearcat frames. Could've been a cheaper option for a nifty bp gun.

[SingleAction357]

Lipsys did a special run of them. But there asking price is off the charts. Around 1K to 1200. I recently aquired 2 of them with boxes in unfired condition. One is stainless the other is blue. I didnt need 2 but I had bid on the blue one and won it then the stainless came along and I threw a bid on it which I didnt think would fly but it did. They are without a doubt great cap and ball revolvers.

I wanna get a pair of stainless ones with fixed sights. I also kinda wanna find a cylinder window for one and build one.

[Mistered]

Why did this gun stop getting produced?

Probably lack of sales as previously mentioned. Sadly BP interest has been dying off since its it's peak sometimes in the 70's. Fewer showing up at BP events and annual rendezvous as the real enthusiasts are 'leaving us' and not being replaced by the younger crowd. Oh there are a few taking part but it's nothing like it was it was in the 70's. The attendance at BP gatherings is the writing on the wall. Too bad but a 'sign of the times'.

[BigAl52]

I still enjoy BP alot. In my area they are doing all they can to bring the younger shooters to matches and getting them involved. Its not like it once was for sure but there is some effort being made. I recently acquired a Lancaster 44 inch barreled flinter. I havent shot it yet but I will be getting out soon to play with it. Love those flintlocks.

[North Country Gal]

Glad to hear some effort is being made to get more folks to shoot traditional BP. Up here, the in-lines really killed any interest in traditional. Most gunshops no longer even take traditional BP guns in on trade. Just can't sell them.

[Mistered]

I still enjoy BP alot.

So do I - I have a replica Zouave .58, a replica Navy .36 and last year I was given an early T/C Renegade that had suffered from lack of care and had rusted up pretty well but after a long, drawn out and careful rust removal I got it back into working order and shooting very well. First pic is the muzzle area when I got it. and the 2nd and 3rd are after completion. The breech area and barrel was really bad but came out pretty well I think. The targets speak for themselves. After getting it 'dialed in' the Coke cup was the final shot of the day at 100 yards kneeling .

[SingleAction357]

Glad to hear some effort is being made to get more folks to shoot traditional BP. Up here, the in-lines really killed any interest in traditional. Most gunshops no longer even take traditional BP guns in on trade. Just can't sell them.

The old army kicks the butt of those in line pistols. If they bumped it up to a 5 shot .50 cal and had it take 209 primers there'd be no reason for an in line pistol.

[Mistered]

Glad to hear some effort is being made to get more folks to shoot traditional BP. Up here, the in-lines really killed any interest in traditional.

Same here. Inlines are only a vague vestige to true muzzle loading. All they did was to offer the typical centerfire hunter a simple way to access a black powder hunt in addition to his or her normal hunting season. Inline users have no connection to traditional black powder shooting or hunting whatsoever. I vehemently blame the manufacturers for this.
Several years ago Oregon made a sudden change to the BP laws and dramatically changed them to basically only allowing 'traditional' rifles for hunting (open ignition, loose powder, ball or conical etc.) but since 'relaxed' them and once again included inline type actions as legal. PO'd me OFF!

[North Country Gal]

I used to shoot an Encore 209x50 in line setup, just for kicks, because I was already shooting Encores and those 209x50 ML barrels can be had for a bargain. Using 110 grains of Blackhorn 209 (heavy load) and TC and Barnes sabots, I had no problem getting one inch 5 shot groups at 100 yards and could even keep that MOA out to 200 yards on a good day. Blackhorn 209 powder has also been a game changer in the in-line world. No need to swab between shots. Shoot as many shots as you want. First load goes in as easy as the 20th. Go home and use standard solvents and cleaning methods, just like any other gun.

Calling these guns "primitive", then, is just plain ridiculous. The only thing they have in common with traditional MLs is that they also load though the muzzle. I dropped the Encore 209x50 shooting, not because of lack of accuracy or power (right there with a 45-70 stout load) or performance (right there with any centerfire bolt gun), but because it was a very expensive way to shoot. That powder and those sabots are NOT cheap.

[SingleAction357]

I think an Old Army that accepts 209 primers would make in line pistols obsolete for hunters. In theory they should be able to handle Blackhorn 209 as well.

[GFK]

I still enjoy BP alot.

So do I - I have a replica Zouave .58, a replica Navy .36 and last year I was given an early T/C Renegade that had suffered from lack of care and had rusted up pretty well but after a long, drawn out and careful rust removal I got it back into working order and shooting very well. First pic is the muzzle area when I got it. and the 2nd and 3rd are after completion. The breech area and barrel was really bad but came out pretty well I think. The targets speak for themselves. After getting it 'dialed in' the Coke cup was the final shot of the day at 100 yards kneeling .

Nice work.