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from looking through a scope, most of the time, I know I've hit or missed a target the instant I pull the trigger .... I don't get very concerned about missing when I know I didn't do my part .... I do get concerned when I miss and have no doubt that the bullet should have it its target .... yesterday while firing over 100 rounds through our BBS 44Mag I experienced way too many shots that didn't hit when they should have .... so much so that earlier today I spent some time taking a close look .... to my surprise, there was a tiny and I do mean tiny bit of movement .... my first thought as the 3 screws securing the base to the receiver were loose .... to check, I had to remove the rings and that was when I found that one of the plates that connects the ring to the base as broken .... the pictures below show the plate and the part of it that was broken off and had seize in the ring .... by the way, all 3 screws securing the base were loose as well ... a new ring has been installed and screws Loctited in place .... now, I get the pleasure to sighting in the scope once again

Are the rings Millett angle locks. Some refer to those as mangle locks. I have really had no major issues with them but mine in all honesty are older ones that were I believe made in Mexico and then production possibly went to China. I have seen some shops when I was in their place break them by not having the part that draws in to hold on to the base or dovetail not lined up straight and they get wedged and can't draw up even and they break. I have used most of the ones I have on dovetail 22's. They have been good and if gluing bases on a 22 that has no grooves or factory drilled they allow the ability to adjust for windage to correct the problem. Don't ask me how I know. Do you need any of the Millett rings for the Weaver style base? I will give you some of them. I will send you several sets if you tell me the height of the ones you need. Free rings all you pay is the shipping in one of those mailers from the post office. I need to thin down some of this kind of stuff I have to much of. Send a PM if I can help. My 444 Marlin never broke any Milletts and I pour the coal to that bad boy.

bandit1250 wrote:Are the rings Millett angle locks.

the ones I have are "Weaver Grand Slam 1-Inch, High Steel Top Mount Rings" .... your offer is most certainly appreciated, wish I'd of seen it earlier .... I just ordered a spare set from Amazon ===> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0016 ... UTF8&psc=1 .... as noted, this is the first time I've every had such a problem .... hopefully, the spares will never be needed

Can I use that excuse also?

The Wiz wrote:Can I use that excuse also?

feel free ....

JEBar wrote:

bandit1250 wrote:Are the rings Millett angle locks.

the ones I have are "Weaver Grand Slam 1-Inch, High Steel Top Mount Rings" .... your offer is most certainly appreciated, wish I'd of seen it earlier .... I just ordered a spare set from Amazon ===> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0016 ... UTF8&psc=1 .... as noted, this is the first time I've every had such a problem .... hopefully, the spares will never be needed

Those should be good rings if they were made in the USA. It doesn’t say we’re they were made though.

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The Weaver website says made in USA http://www.weaveroptics.com/rings_bases ... lam_steel/
But with stuff sold on Amazon, one can't be 100% certain of not being counterfeit.

If the set screws worked their way loose, then it is possible the loose ring failed being slammed by recoil. I suppose that is an obvious statement, but saying it anyway just in case.

Sir Henry wrote:

JEBar wrote:

bandit1250 wrote:Are the rings Millett angle locks.

the ones I have are "Weaver Grand Slam 1-Inch, High Steel Top Mount Rings" .... your offer is most certainly appreciated, wish I'd of seen it earlier .... I just ordered a spare set from Amazon ===> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0016 ... UTF8&psc=1 .... as noted, this is the first time I've every had such a problem .... hopefully, the spares will never be needed

Those should be good rings if they were made in the USA. It doesn’t say we’re they were made though.

Agree with mags. Loose screws could have caused the failure to occur after many rounds slamming the rings forward with each shot. Always loctite base screws and torque appropriately.

Shawlerbrook wrote:Agree with mags. Loose screws could have caused the failure to occur after many rounds slamming the rings forward with each shot. Always loctite base screws and torque appropriately.

the screws were treated with purple loctite .... when I reinstalled them yesterday, I switched to blue loctite ....

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blue is the better choice. ring might not be the only damage. recommend before reassembly, checking the screws and screw holes for thread damage.

JEBar wrote:

Shawlerbrook wrote:Agree with mags. Loose screws could have caused the failure to occur after many rounds slamming the rings forward with each shot. Always loctite base screws and torque appropriately.

the screws were treated with purple loctite .... when I reinstalled them yesterday, I switched to blue loctite ....

Mags wrote:blue is the better choice. ring might not be the only damage. recommend before reassembly, checking the screws and screw holes for thread damage.

the front ring was the one that failed .... I replaced it with a new one .... the rear ring was removed from the base but not from the scope .... I can see the high probability of impact over time from the recoil of literally thousands of rounds being fired causing a problem .... in looking over the screws and screw holes, I was a bit surprised to see bolt below the holes in the magazine .... I did use blue loctite but had to be very careful to make sure none dripped down onto the bolt or into the inner workings .... I have noticed that the crosshairs in the scope need a slight adjustment to get them back into a proper alignment .... hopefully I can take care of that within the next few days....

Looking at the pieces, could it be possible that the clamp piece wasn't perfectly aligned with the ring itself and the base, and was thereby stressed? I have done that on a pair of traditional Weaver rings, but caught it prior to any damage.

I used a pair of the new (American made) Weaver Grand Slam rings on a Henry single shot .243 (Warne base) and was impressed with them; I'll probably use them instead of the Burris Zee rings, which I used a lot on Weaver style bases in the past, but are now made in China. They feel "stiffer", harder to snug up, besides not being produced here anymore .

that is certainly possible .... I have to remove the scope (again) next week so as to send it back to Henry ..... I've had it off and on so many times lately that I wish I could use Velcro ...