Lever Gun Scope Rant

[Lyman]

I have a 3-9x32 Simmons mag22 scope mounted on My model 60 that might just make it's way on to my H001 to replace the red dot. I hate the way the Red dot looks. The Simmons cheapie is shockingly better than a lot of high dollar scopes I have used in the past.

[ESquared]

Thanks again to NCG for the recommendation on the Leu VX Freedom 1.5-4X20.

[Lyman]

Yep that was a good call. I bet you will get a lot of enjoyment outta this setup. Did you get it sighted in yet?

[ESquared]

Yep that was a good call. I bet you will get a lot of enjoyment outta this setup. Did you get it sighted in yet?

Yep, about to post a quick range report on that sub-forum.

[Redthies]

Thanks again to NCG for the recommendation on the Leu VX Freedom 1.5-4X20.

That looks right at home there! Where did you source your leather lever cover? T may have to pick one of those up for my SGC.

[ESquared]

Thanks again to NCG for the recommendation on the Leu VX Freedom 1.5-4X20.

That looks right at home there! Where did you source your leather lever cover? T may have to pick one of those up for my SGC.

Pioneer Gun Works. Put one on my SGC as well (longer version). Great video on how to "install" it, too.

http://www.pioneergunworks.com/leather-goods-1/

[Cofisher]

Thanks for the tip. Looks like a good product and company.

[ESquared]

Thanks for the tip. Looks like a good product and company.

Yes, very good quality. Lever wrap is padded and installs very easily if you follow the vid.

Wish they made a simple cheek riser (if there is such a thing). It's clear the comb on the buttstock of the BBS isn't exactly right for a scope. Part of my adjustments today was getting my eye stable behind the eyepiece. Kinda hanging in mid-air.

Life's full of trade-offs, huh?

[Cofisher]

Yes it is. I have the same issue with mine. I put a Bushnell banner 1.75-4 on the same rifle. It works very well. I simply have to learn where to keep my jawbone on the stock. A fun learning experience.

[Henry88]

Thanks again to NCG for the recommendation on the Leu VX Freedom 1.5-4X20.

That is darn near perfection E^2, but why don't they make scopes in gloss any more?

[ESquared]

Thanks again to NCG for the recommendation on the Leu VX Freedom 1.5-4X20.

That is darn near perfection E^2, but why don't they make scopes in gloss any more?

HA!, it's all "Matte Black" anymore. I think they figured out that glossy black will scare the deer away!

Thanks for the endorsement, though, and your encouragement along the way!

[Mags]

Thanks again to NCG for the recommendation on the Leu VX Freedom 1.5-4X20.

That is darn near perfection E^2, but why don't they make scopes in gloss any more?

stealth fighter mode and besides matte black is cool and professional looking. gloss is just glamor showy.

[ESquared]

Gotta be tacticool, you know!

[Mistered]

but why don't they make scopes in gloss any more?

Back when scope tubes were steel they were blued like gun barrels. After aluminum replaced steel powder coating and anodizing replaced bluing but I suspect most scopes are matte or satin finish now due to less light reflectivity or glare over the brighter, high gloss finishes.

[Redthies]

Thanks again to NCG for the recommendation on the Leu VX Freedom 1.5-4X20.

That looks right at home there! Where did you source your leather lever cover? T may have to pick one of those up for my SGC.

Pioneer Gun Works. Put one on my SGC as well (longer version). Great video on how to "install" it, too.

http://www.pioneergunworks.com/leather-goods-1/

I actually found PGW via google not long after I posted that, (and a few other people wanting 5x as much for the same product!). Do they only do the one color of leather (brown) for the 3.5”? I like the brown, just didn’t see any way to pick color and see they have black in other sizes and wouldn’t like that as much...

[ESquared]

As far as I know, they only come in brown and in the 2 "standard" sizes (Regular and Long), but they'll make a custom length if you want them to, just call.

I didn't have a choice on color, and don't see any of them in Black, so I'm at a loss to answer your question, sorry.

[Henry88]

but why don't they make scopes in gloss any more?

Back when scope tubes were steel they were blued like gun barrels. After aluminum replaced steel powder coating and anodizing replaced bluing but I suspect most scopes are matte or satin finish now due to less light reflectivity or glare over the brighter, high gloss finishes.

So that's it, cause they're no longer steel.

Thanks, Mr Ed..............

I wonder how much of this tactical push by the manufacturers is based on cheaper materials?

Not that there's anything wrong with that if it holds up..............

[Mistered]

So that's it, cause they're no longer steel.

There MIGHT be some steel scopes still being made - if so they would be on extremely high end models but I don't know for sure.

[ESquared]

but why don't they make scopes in gloss any more?

Back when scope tubes were steel they were blued like gun barrels. After aluminum replaced steel powder coating and anodizing replaced bluing but I suspect most scopes are matte or satin finish now due to less light reflectivity or glare over the brighter, high gloss finishes.

So that's it, cause they're no longer steel.

Thanks, Mr Ed..............

I wonder how much of this tactical push by the manufacturers is based on cheaper materials?

Not that there's anything wrong with that if it holds up..............

I'd say it's more driven by weight savings and corrosion resistance of aluminum.

[henry22]

This isn't much of an offering, but I moved from a Vortex Diamondback, 4-12X40 on an H001M to a Leupold Freedom 3-9X30.

The Diamondback wasn't holding zero, so sent it back to Vortex. They repaired it apparently and said it was defective. While I was waiting for the scope to come back from warranty, I couldn't hold off from shooting, since the H001M was the only rifle I had, so I splurged and bought a Leupold Freedom, 3-9X40, and never looked back.

So now, the Diamondback has made its way onto the new H001T (octagon 22LR) that I bought a few weeks ago. I've been shooting hundreds of rounds at the range with this new setup, and today, something changed the game for me. I was aiming at the bullseye, and once every few shots, I hit red, then high and right, and low etc, this setup was behaving just like it did when the DB was on the H001M months ago. Keep in mind, I'm using the full 12X magnification on the DB, so I can see small potatoes spiked on top of the target board, as closely as possible, and yet I never miss with the Freedom 3-9 when it's on full power on the 22 mag, but miss regularly with the DB on full power on the 22LR. — ???

I've been shooting these small potatoes at 50 yards for the past week or so using the "repaired" DB, hitting, missing, hitting bullseye, missing. It must be ME that's missing, not the scope and certainly not the rifle or ammo (BLAZER 22LR)

Out of frustration I turned the magnification all the way down to 4, just to see what it looked like through the scope. The potatoes and targets looked painfully small (not what I'm used to) and yet, the reticle and FOV was so much clearer, sharper, I thought why not try shooting this way.

To my amazement, I hit ever single small potato, one after the other, and then even smaller pieces and remnants of potatoes that clung to the toothpicks they were stuck on.

Instantly, the rifle was accurate, the cross-hairs didn't shake when I breathed, and the sight picture seemed much more still and clear.

Question:

1: Why and how would the DB be so inaccurate on full magnification, and extremely accurate at the lowest magnification?
What's causing that hit and miss deal when I'm dialed up in magnification, yet when I'm dialed down to 4-6 power, it's bang on?
(Knowing that I was absolutely dead still and the rifle was well rested.)

Is that a parallax issue because the scope has variable power? Or is it a flaw in the reticle/mechanics of the DB?

Please explain if you can. Thanks