Skinner peep and front

[Sporter]

OK. Got the rear peep on this Big Boy Steel in 44 mag. Very pleased. But it is printing 3-4" high at 50 yds with my full power hunting hand-loads which are Hornady 240 gr XTPs. I have the rear sight all the way down. So... my front is not high enough. This is what I read on the Skinner web page: "If we are asked, we will "suggest" our 1/2"x.650" front (and trim to exact height as needed) or our .570" tall Fiber Optic front sight. These are just suggestions." What is your experience/recommendation here?

[Sporter]

One more thing... another option is to get the shorter peep stem: short Stems are .030" Shorter. This would likely do it as well.

[Rugerfanboy]

OK. Got the rear peep on this Big Boy Steel in 44 mag. Very pleased. But it is printing 3-4" high at 50 yds with my full power hunting hand-loads which are Hornady 240 gr XTPs. I have the rear sight all the way down. So... my front is not high enough. This is what I read on the Skinner web page: "If we are asked, we will "suggest" our 1/2"x.650" front (and trim to exact height as needed) or our .570" tall Fiber Optic front sight. These are just suggestions." What is your experience/recommendation here?

You are correct. Since your printing high. To lower the print, and you have no other way to adjust/lower the rear sight....your gonna have to raise the front sight post. Since you asked about my recommendation....I'd get the .570" tall fiber optic front sight. Your option are orange at the Skinner Sight website or red at MidwayUSA.

The Williams Fire Sight Rifle Bead Fiber Optic Red....I have one on one of my Henry rifles.

Williams Fire Sight Rifle Bead Fiber Optic Red
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/517699 ... -optic-red

[Rugerfanboy]

One more thing... another option is to get the shorter peep stem: short Stems are .030" Shorter. This would likely do it as well.

The shorter stem might limit your adjustment when you engage a target at 100 or even at 150 yards. My hunting load, my max is 200 yards. After 200 yards....I have to start making large elevation adjustments.

[Sporter]

Is .570 enough? Skinner says: "It is our understanding that some of the Henry Big Boy Steel frame models have a .570" factory front sight. For those rifles, if a taller sight is needed our .650" tall Patridge blade would be our "suggestion"". If the factory is already .570 then another sight at .570 will not be tall enough.

[Sir Henry]

If you aim for center mass and the bullet prints left. To move the bullet back to center mass....you move the rear sight the same way to want the bullet to move....too the right.

The front sight post is opposite of the rear. If the you shoot for center mass and the bullet prints right....you move the front post to the left. This adjustment of the front sight....will move the bullet back to the left even thou you moved the front sight post to the left.

Did I confuse anybody let.... hope not...!!!

This video will explain on what I'm talking about. This is the way we done it in the military.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnoQeNhXRGE

This is the way I've always adjusted mine. Don't think about it just do it.

Correct me if I'm wrong....but weren't you in the service....??? That would clearly identify/explain why you understand. Not saying anyone that didn't serve wouldn't understand. Your last statement of....Don't think about it just do it.... is a clear indication that it comes natural for you. Kind of hard to forget something that's drilled into ones head....day 1 in service. My above description is how I was taught in the service and that's how I try to teach/show everyone that ask for help. Regardless if they've served or not.

It's a great feeling teaching someone how to shoot and adjust there sights. Even showing them how to disassemble, clean and assemble there firearm is icing on the cake for me. I'm no longer in the service and I don't work on firearm's anymore. But....I take pride in both areas and always offer help when someone asks for help. This past spring and summer....I had two women ask me if I would teach them how to shoot so that they could take the CCW class and try to get there CCW (concealed carry weapons) license. Both said they've never have fired a weapon in there life before. I was very happy both times. Both have went on too get there CCW license.

Yes I was in the Army and was trained on the M14. All adjustments were made to the rear sight.

[Rugerfanboy]

Is .570 enough? Skinner says: "It is our understanding that some of the Henry Big Boy Steel frame models have a .570" factory front sight. For those rifles, if a taller sight is needed our .650" tall Patridge blade would be our "suggestion"". If the factory is already .570 then another sight at .570 will not be tall enough.

My Big Boy Steel 44 mag and Big Boy Steel 357 mag both came with a .530" tall front sight (44 mag is 2015 model and 357 mag is a 2016 model). And I put a .570'' on both of them. My 44 did have a .530'' but I changed my powder charge and had to change the front sight cause of it. Both of my rifles are zeroed at 100 yards.

Since you've already drifted your front sight before, take it off the rifle and measure it with your calipers. I tried to measure the front sight still on the rifle and it just can't be done accurately. I would bet your rifle has a .530" tall front sight.

What it boils down to, your gonna have to find out what came on your rifle and then go from there. If it has a .530" front sight, then you need to order a .570"front sight. If it has a .570" front sight, then you need to order the taller front sight.

[Sporter]

Thanks. Will do. Very helpful.

[Sporter]

OK here is the data. 4" high at 50 yds with Skinner rear peep and factory front. Rear turned all the way down. Removed factory front and from bottom of the sight to top is measures .490 with my calipers. So, I want to get a Skinner front. How high should it be? I want to be able to raise the rear peep a couple of turns and sight at 50 and 100 yds. I will be shooting a variety of hand loads. Light shooting plated and full-house XPTs for hunting.

[Sir Henry]

OK here is the data. 4" high at 50 yds with Skinner rear peep and factory front. Rear turned all the way down. Removed factory front and from bottom of the sight to top is measures .490 with my calipers. So, I want to get a Skinner front. How high should it be? I want to be able to raise the rear peep a couple of turns and sight at 50 and 100 yds. I will be shooting a variety of hand loads. Light shooting plated and full-house XPTs for hunting.

Contact Andy Larsen at Skinner.

andy@skinnersights.com

[Alnamvet68]

It would be great if Skinner manufactured the Big Boy rear peep to just work with the standard factory front sight

[1911ly]

It would be great if Skinner manufactured the Big Boy rear peep to just work with the standard factory front sight

The barrel mounted rear sight does not require a front sight change.

[Rugerfanboy]

OK here is the data. 4" high at 50 yds with Skinner rear peep and factory front. Rear turned all the way down. Removed factory front and from bottom of the sight to top is measures .490 with my calipers. So, I want to get a Skinner front. How high should it be? I want to be able to raise the rear peep a couple of turns and sight at 50 and 100 yds. I will be shooting a variety of hand loads. Light shooting plated and full-house XPTs for hunting.

This copy and paste is from Skinner Sights web page.
Figure it yourself with the following equation.

When you are unable to adjust the rear sight to work for your rifle because the rifle shoots high you will need a taller front sight. To eliminate the guesswork, you can calculate the additional height needed using the procedure below.

1. Shoot your rifle at a known range (say 50 yards). Note the distance you need the impact to change (say 6 inches lower).

2. Measure the sight radius of your rifle (22 inches on most Marlins).

3. The change needed is calculated by changing all measurements to inches then multiply the sight radius by the desired change in impact and divide that product by the range in inches.

4. The result is the additional height needed for the front sight. To get the height of the new front sight add the current height and the calculated number from (3).

Example:

I need to shoot 6 inches lower at 50 yards with my 1894, 44 Mag. With a 22 inch sight radius. My current front sight is .350” tall from the bottom of the dovetail to the top of the sight.

50 yards = 50X36=1800 inches

Desired height change is = 22 (sight radius)X6 (desired change)/1800(range)=.073 inches. My new front sight needs to be .350+.073 or .423 inches tall.

OR.... MAKE IT SIMPLE

To move the impact at 100 yards on a Marlin rifle with a 20" barrel requires .006" of sight change. (front or rear)

For example:

If you are shooting 6" low at 100 yards, your front sight needs to be "Trimmed" .036" shorter or the rear stem turned up 1 1/2 turns.

If you are shooting 6" high at 100 yards your front sight needs to be .036" taller or the rear stem turned down 1 1/2 turns. (If your stem is already at the lowest position a taller front sight is required)

If you are shooting at a shorter range than 100 yards adjust accordingly.

50 yards = 2 times the change needed. (.012" for 1" correction)
25 yards = 4 times the change needed. (.024" for 1" correction)

Front Sight Height Calculator At Brownells
http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/Misce ... ion_F2.swf

Williams Fire Sight Rifle Bead Fiber Optic Red - Height: 0.538" Width: 0.531" $15.99
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/931377 ... -optic-red

[Rugerfanboy]

It would be great if Skinner manufactured the Big Boy rear peep to just work with the standard factory front sight

The barrel mounted rear sight does not require a front sight change.

That's not completely true. I have a barrel mounted rear sight mounted on my Henry Big Boy Steel 44 Magnum and I had to change the front sight. Mainly cause of my handloads. Just depends on what ammo is being used.

Another option....would be too change the aperture stem.

APERTURE (PEEP) STEMS

PeepStems.PNG

http://www.skinnersights.com/testimonials_12.html

[1911ly]

It would be great if Skinner manufactured the Big Boy rear peep to just work with the standard factory front sight

The barrel mounted rear sight does not require a front sight change.

That's not completely true. I have a barrel mounted rear sight mounted on my Henry Big Boy Steel 44 Magnum and I had to change the front sight. Mainly cause of my handloads. Just depends on what ammo is being used.

Another option....would be too change the aperture stem.

APERTURE (PEEP) STEMS
PeepStems.PNG
http://www.skinnersights.com/testimonials_12.html

Being able to change the aperture stem is part of the reason I said "you don't need to change the front sight" So I am completely correct.lLets not split hairs.

Even with the taller front sight on my 44mag I still needed to swap stems for some loads, then I just decided to shoot one load. It made things simpler. If I shoot something else I know what to expect for bullet drop between loads now, so I just do a hold over. Or just shoot for group size and not worry about center target. It's all good, just set your gun up for the most enjoyable way of shooting. Have fun!! That's what it's all about.

[Sporter]

OK here is the update. Sorry for the delay. On this Big Boy Steel I put the rear Skinner on and it shot about 12" high at 100 yds. Took off the factory front and measured it. It is .490". Calculated I needed to come up .060". Ordered the Skinner .650 front. Took it down most of the way with my Dremel. (Its hard to put material back on!) Tried it. Still high. Took it all the way to what I calculated (.550"). Put it on. Tried it. Works great with the rear turned up 1.5 turns from the bottom. Went hunting. G

[Beech Creek Gary]

If it was shooting to the right then the front sight should have been drifted to the left.

That's incorrect....drifting the front sight to the left moves the point of impact to the right.

[Teddy]

Anyone install a Skinner peep sight on the Henry H001L carbine, the more I read the Skinner web site the more confusing it gets.