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Help With Sight/Scope Options Please
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:28 pm
by MarvinTMartian
I just got my first lever action, a Henry All Weather in .30-30! I love this rifle!
Ready to start making it mine, and aside from a sling, I would like to upgrade the sights. Nothing wrong with the buckhorns, when I was 20. But at my, ahem, uh, mature age, I can’t see the rear.
I want to add a peep sight, but I would really like to have a rail mount with the peep sight and a section to mount a scope. Frankly, I want something like on the Marlin 1894 CSBL rifles. And ideally, the scope would be mounted with quick release rings so I can revert to the peep easily.
Is this doable? What brand or brands are available?
Thanks!
Re: Help With Sight/Scope Options Please
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:33 pm
by BigAl52
Im not sure its doable with both but as far as peep sights go most guys here are using the Skinner and a few have played with the Ranger Point. I myself like the red dots so when I have done away with irons red dots have gone on there.
Re: Help With Sight/Scope Options Please
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:54 pm
by GaHenryFan
It's doable if you have a friend with a milling machine. There's nothing commercially available for Henry rifles that I'm aware of.
https://henryrifleforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3113
Re: Help With Sight/Scope Options Please
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:20 pm
by Ridgerunner665
Focusing on the rear sight isn't necessary...its not even recommended.
The rear sight will always be blurry for us older gents... as long as you can focus on the front sight is all that matters.
I can't... if the barrel is shorter than about 24 inches I have to use a scope because the front sight is blurry.
Nothing at all wrong with upgrading sights, but the rear sight will still be blurry.
Re: Help With Sight/Scope Options Please
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:24 pm
by Ridgerunner665
Red dots can be great for some, but not so great for others...
If you have astigmatism (eye not perfectly round), what is supposed to be a tiny red dot will look something like a large clump of red grapes.
Astigmatism can be corrected with glasses, but it'll never be perfect either.
Re: Help With Sight/Scope Options Please
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:38 pm
by Rifletom
Ridgerunner665 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:20 pm
Focusing on the rear sight isn't necessary...its not even recommended.
The rear sight will always be blurry for us older gents... as long as you can focus on the front sight is all that matters.
I can't... if the barrel is shorter than about 24 inches I have to use a scope because the front sight is blurry.
Nothing at all wrong with upgrading sights, but the rear sight will still be blurry.
This has been my finding as well. Try as I might with irons/peeps, they simply don't work for me. I may[probably will] swap the Weaver 1-3x20mm scope set-up from my BBB .357 to my BBS .45 Colt. Irons just don't help me at all!
Re: Help With Sight/Scope Options Please
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:05 pm
by Cofisher
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Hey Marvin! I am having trouble posting my discussion on this subject. I too, wanted the option of rail mounted optics, or peep sight.
I installed an 83B rail, Werner I believe. This made scope and red dot optics readily useable. QD attachment is handy.
To make it easily convertible to iron sights, skinner peep, I installed a Skinner Low Pro peep as the rearmost rail mounting screw.
It took some 'fitting', but was not difficult.
With the right scope rings, it was even useable looking under the scope through the rings.
I'm not sure if this helps, let me know if I can describe it better.
Jim
Re: Help With Sight/Scope Options Please
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:17 pm
by Mags
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I have the Henry .30-30 in brass. I bought this mount (63B) for it. Look into putting it with Cofisher's Skinner Low Pro peep implementation.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01D2 ... UTF8&psc=1
MarvinTMartian wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:28 pm
I just got my first lever action, a Henry All Weather in .30-30! I love this rifle!
Ready to start making it mine, and aside from a sling, I would like to upgrade the sights. Nothing wrong with the buckhorns, when I was 20. But at my, ahem, uh, mature age, I can’t see the rear.
I want to add a peep sight, but I would really like to have a rail mount with the peep sight and a section to mount a scope. Frankly, I want something like on the Marlin 1894 CSBL rifles. And ideally, the scope would be mounted with quick release rings so I can revert to the peep easily.
Is this doable? What brand or brands are available?
Thanks!
Re: Help With Sight/Scope Options Please
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:31 pm
by Cofisher
Thanks Mags. Getting forgetful here. Lol
Re: Help With Sight/Scope Options Please
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:53 pm
by Mags
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I had my 'Welcome to Medicare' visit with my doctor earlier this week. His medical assistant told me 3 words to remember. Later I could only remember two. A day later I remembered all three. Ocean-Tractor-House. Never was good at taking tests under pressure.
Cofisher wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:31 pm
Thanks Mags. Getting forgetful here. Lol
Re: Help With Sight/Scope Options Please
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:11 am
by Mags
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oh, and on slings check out Brass Stacker offerings.
https://brassstacker.com/
MarvinTMartian wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:28 pm
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Ready to start making it mine, and aside from a sling, ..
Re: Help With Sight/Scope Options Please
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:54 am
by Rifletom
Mags, will that rail you linked work on a Henry BB steel receiver? Thanks.
Re: Help With Sight/Scope Options Please
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:16 am
by Yornoc3
Skinner makes an "Integral Peep sight/Scope Mount" that will fit your all weather 30-30, it's even available in a silver finish. It uses Tally or Warne rings.
Google: skinnersights.com/henry_rifles_18.html, it's at the bottom of that page. Best of both worlds
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Re: Help With Sight/Scope Options Please
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:22 am
by GaHenryFan
My issue with the Skinner rail is that you're going to need a really tall front sight to get it to shoot to point of aim with the rear peep that high up. I fought that battle with my BBS carbine and the Lo-pro was the only one that worked for me.
Re: Help With Sight/Scope Options Please
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:59 am
by Mags
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I don't know the hole spacing on the BBS receiver.
But this is the hole spacing of that mount I got from Amazon.
Hammers Marlin Rifle Scope Rail Mount
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01D2 ... UTF8&psc=1
o-------o---------------------o-------o-------o-------o
|_0.5_|_____1.85______|_0.5_ |_0.4_|_0.5_ |
Please let me know what the spacing is on your BBS. I've been curious for a while what spacing the BB-RSM mount has.
ps: I almost missed seeing your question. please use quoted reply. it generates a notification.
Rifletom wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:54 am
Mags, will that rail you linked work on a Henry BB steel receiver? Thanks.
[Edit: added keywords to make this easier to search for] scope mount / scope base / scope rail
Re: Help With Sight/Scope Options Please
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:22 pm
by Cofisher
The steel receiver requires one modification. Using your diagram, starting at the left, the first two holes align at the rear of the receiver. The third hole ALMOST aligns with the forward receiver hole. I had to file a little to get the screw to line up correctly.
This is a steel carbine 357. I am not sure of the larger caliber spacing.
Good luck
Re: Help With Sight/Scope Options Please
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:18 pm
by Rifletom
Mags wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:59 am
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I don't know the hole spacing on the BBS receiver.
But this is the hole spacing of that mount I got from Amazon.
o-------o---------------------o-------o-------o-------o
|_0.5_|_____1.85______|_0.5_ |_0.4_|_0.5_ |
Please let me know what the spacing is on your BBS. I've been curious for a while what spacing the BB-RSM mount has.
ps: I almost missed seeing your question. please use quoted reply. it generates a notification.
Rifletom wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:54 am
Mags, will that rail you linked work on a Henry BB steel receiver? Thanks.
The spacing is 2.9" front to very rear hole. Back two are 0.5" apart. The HOO6 and HO12 spacing are the same.
I think I did it right this time.
Re: Help With Sight/Scope Options Please
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:15 pm
by Mags
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Might fit if there is a little slop in the mount holes to accommodate the 0.05 difference (2.85 vs 2.9). Or as Cofisher did, file the mount hole to elongate it a little bit. Also check to see if the front edge of the mount stops short of the open sights on the rifle barrel. There is 0.8 inches from the center of the last hole to the front edge of the mount, or 1.7 inches from the hole of interest.
|____________2.85___________|_________1.7________ |
o-------o---------------------o-------
o-------o-------o------------| (front edge)
|_0.5_|_____1.85______|_0.5_ |_0.4_|_0.5_ |___0.8__ |
Rifletom wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:18 pm
Mags wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:59 am
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I don't know the hole spacing on the BBS receiver.
But this is the hole spacing of that mount I got from Amazon.
o-------o---------------------o-------o-------o-------o
|_0.5_|_____1.85______|_0.5_ |_0.4_|_0.5_ |
Please let me know what the spacing is on your BBS. I've been curious for a while what spacing the BB-RSM mount has.
ps: I almost missed seeing your question. please use quoted reply. it generates a notification.
Rifletom wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:54 am
Mags, will that rail you linked work on a Henry BB steel receiver? Thanks.
The spacing is 2.9" front to very rear hole. Back two are 0.5" apart. The HOO6 and HO12 spacing are the same.
I think I did it right this time.
Re: Help With Sight/Scope Options Please
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:54 pm
by Rifletom
Yeah, might just try that rail.A little tweaking will be easy enough. We shall see. Thanks Mags.
Re: Help With Sight/Scope Options Please
Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:39 am
by Mags
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Rifletom wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:54 pm
Yeah, might just try that rail.A little tweaking will be easy enough. We shall see. Thanks Mags.
