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Buckhorn sights.
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 12:05 pm
by undy
I just received my new H024-3030 rifle and am getting ready to hit the range next week. I'm concerned about the ability to adjust the factory buckhorn enough to sight it in. FWIW, I also have a Henry Steel 45-70 lever and wasn't able to lower the Buckhorn sight enough even to get on target at 25 yards. I even removed the adjustment ramp. No soap... I ended up scoping the rifle and ditching the buckhorn entirely.
I do have a question though... The white diamond marked slide That slides/fits/locks in the buckhorn, can I grind a bit of it's lower edge to allow it to sit lower in the buckhorn? Are there any other tricks or modifications that will allow me to get it sighted in with the buckhorn sight?
If I can't get the buckhorn sighted in I'm considering going with Skinner's barrel mounted peep sight. I don't want a receiver mount as I like the handsome brass receiver unfettered with a sight/scope/red dot. The Skinner barrel mount also allows one to retain the existing front sight too. Any tricks, suggestions or opinions on it?
Re: Buckhorn sights.
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 12:52 pm
by Mags
undy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 12:05 pm
I just received my new H024-3030 rifle and am getting ready to hit the range next week. I'm concerned about the ability to adjust the factory buckhorn enough to sight it in. FWIW, I also have a Henry Steel 45-70 lever and wasn't able to lower the Buckhorn sight enough even to get on target at 25 yards. I even removed the adjustment ramp. No soap... I ended up scoping the rifle and ditching the buckhorn entirely.
I do have a question though... The white diamond marked slide That slides/fits/locks in the buckhorn, can I grind a bit of it's lower edge to allow it to sit lower in the buckhorn? Are there any other tricks or modifications that will allow me to get it sighted in with the buckhorn sight?
If I can't get the buckhorn sighted in I'm considering going with Skinner's barrel mounted peep sight. I don't want a receiver mount as I like the handsome brass receiver unfettered with a sight/scope/red dot. The Skinner barrel mount also allows one to retain the existing front sight too. Any tricks, suggestions or opinions on it?
I suppose out of the factory each H024-3030 might turnout slightly different. On mine, the sight zero'd one ramp step below mid ramp. You could grind the insert some as long as the side set screw can still lock it in place. Just be aware that the insert is flip-able. One end up is a V notch and other end up is a U. By grinding you'll destroy which ever notch you're not using.
Re: Buckhorn sights.
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:19 pm
by undy
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I suppose out of the factory each H024-3030 might turnout slightly different. On mine, the sight zero'd one ramp step below mid ramp. You could grind the insert some as long as the side set screw can still lock it in place. Just be aware that the insert is flip-able. One end up is a V notch and other end up is a U. By grinding you'll destroy which ever notch you're not using.
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Some have reported that Henry sights each rifle in at the factory, which isn't true. I talked with them this AM and they only fire it to ensure it fires OK, nothing to do with sighting. Hopefully I won't need to grind the slide. If I do it won't be too much. Fingers crossed...
Re: Buckhorn sights.
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 3:19 pm
by Mags
undy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:19 pm
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Some have reported that Henry sights each rifle in at the factory, which isn't true. I talked with them this AM and they only fire it to ensure it fires OK, nothing to do with sighting. Hopefully I won't need to grind the slide. If I do it won't be too much. Fingers crossed...
That's correct Henry does not sight in new rifles. They do a quick sight in when a rifle is returned for repair due to inaccuracy and sight related issues.
Re: Buckhorn sights.
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:23 pm
by GFK
When I got my H009 years back, it was shooting high at 50 yards. After contacting Henry, I realized the diamond insert was adjustable. After adjusting the insert, I was hitting close to POA. I have replaced the buckhorn with a peep sight seen then. And, I am happy with the POI at 100 yards.
Re: Buckhorn sights.
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:33 pm
by undy
GFK wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:23 pm
When I got my H009 years back, it was shooting high at 50 yards. After contacting Henry, I realized the diamond insert was adjustable. After adjusting the insert, I was hitting close to POA.
I have replaced the buckhorn with a peep sight seen then. And, I am happy with the POI at 100 yards.
Receiver or barrel mounted peep sight?
Re: Buckhorn sights.
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:12 am
by GFK
Receiver: Ranger Point Precision. But, there are other brands that may work better. I have maxed out windage. I went with RPP initially because of a clover leaf type peep. But, I did not get the desired POI. So, I replaced that peep sight with a traditional one. The POI is much better.
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Re: Buckhorn sights.
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:52 am
by undy
GFK wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:12 am
Receiver: Ranger Point Precision. But, there are other brands that may work better. I have maxed out windage. I went with RPP initially because of a clover leaf type peep. But, I did not get the desired POI. So, I replaced that peep sight with a traditional one. The POI is much better.
Henry+Optic+Blank-Rev-1.jpg
H009.jpg
Need be, I'll probably go with Skinner's Barrel mount peep sight. Their/most receiver mounted peep sights require a new taller front site too whereas their barrel mounted peep sight retains to OEM front sight and factory located barrel mounting. I'll wait till my first range test to see if I can get the semi-buckhorn sight to work for me.
Re: Buckhorn sights.
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 8:28 am
by GFK
undy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:52 am
GFK wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:12 am
Receiver: Ranger Point Precision. But, there are other brands that may work better. I have maxed out windage. I went with RPP initially because of a clover leaf type peep. But, I did not get the desired POI. So, I replaced that peep sight with a traditional one. The POI is much better.
Henry+Optic+Blank-Rev-1.jpg
H009.jpg
Need be, I'll probably go with Skinner's Barrel mount peep sight. Their/most receiver mounted peep sights require a new taller front site too whereas their barrel mounted peep sight retains to OEM front sight and factory located barrel mounting. I'll wait till my first range test to see if I can get the semi-buckhorn sight to work for me.
I was able to use the OEM front sight. As I recall, that may be why I went with RPP also. Yet, the peep sight seems to be a good way to go.
Re: Buckhorn sights.
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:18 pm
by The Happy Kaboomer
I think buck horn sights are kinda stupid...........Those big ears block out a lot of target.......I grind/file all mine flat with the bade notch.
Re: Buckhorn sights.
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:49 pm
by undy
Well... Made it to the range today determined to sight in the 30-30 with Buckhorn sights. I brought my brass drift but forgot my small hammer. I ended up beating on the brass drift with my staple gun, not the best thing to use. I ended up starting at 25 yards and then 50 yards, about as far out as I want to go with Buckhorn sights and my 72 year old eyes. More than likely I won't be hunting with it, just target practice at the open air county range. I'm OK with the initial results and plan to improve a bit on my next range day. The Buckhorn required windage and elevation adjustments. At least I don't think I'll have to replace them with a peep sight. If I end up replacing it I'll use Skinners barrel mounted sight. I want to keep it as original as I can. Opinions on the barrel mounted peep?
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Re: Buckhorn sights.
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 9:02 pm
by North Country Gal
I've used the Skinner barrel mount peep on over a dozen rifles. Always keep one around just in case I get another rifle I can't scope or add a receiver peep. With the barrel mount peep, I've yet to need a taller front sight. My favorite way to use the barrel peep is ghost ring style (no aperture added). Makes for very quick acquisition. Perfect sight for a short range woods gun.
In fact, I just switched to the barrel peep on my Ruger No. 3 in 45-70. Was using a barrel mounted red dot, but it just didn't seem right with a single shot 45-70, either for looks, tradition or for the way the red dot sat so much higher than the Skinner. Had to pull my cheek too high up from the stock. The No. 3 is stocked perfectly for use with iron sights. The Skinner seems like it was made for it.
Re: Buckhorn sights.
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:19 pm
by GFK
undy, glad that you made it out and happy with the results. In the end, that is all that matters.
Re: Buckhorn sights.
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 7:25 pm
by RanchRoper
Looks ok to me, those 2 guys are toast....
Re: Buckhorn sights.
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:31 am
by undy
Still interested in reports and opinions of having a barrel mounted skinner peep sight. Advice and/or experiences with it appreciated.
Re: Buckhorn sights.
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 8:32 am
by undy
I ended up replacing the semi-buckhorn sight with a barrel mounted Skinner sight. Prior to I talked in depth with Andy @ Skinner sights and he said that he had very few negative reports from buyers about his barrel mounted sights. He personally does very well with the barrel mounted sights. That was good enough for me as I really didn't want a receiver mounted one due to esthetics. I knocked my old one off and knocked in the Skinner sight after some dovetail filing on the Skinner sight. It looks OEM... I did a sight-picture with it and it's waaaaay better that the Buckhorn. Tomorrow my 30/30 laser bore sight will be delivered and I'll do some sighting in during the morning twilight at home, then to the range. To be continued...
Re: Buckhorn sights.
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 2:02 pm
by GFK
Have not thought about using bore sight with an open sight. Seems like a plan! Glad you like the outcome. In the end, that is all that matters. Happy shooting!
Re: Buckhorn sights.
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 7:59 am
by undy
Well... yesterday I did the laser bore sighting. At around 25 yards it was about 12" too low with windage was pretty much spot-on. I started screwing the peep stem out several times and got it within 6" low or so from the bullseye. I spun the peep stem up one more time and it popped out of the sight. Darn, I'm out of the adjustment. I talked with Rob @ Skinner and ended up ordering a 1/8" longer Peep stem to give me the ability to make final adjustments. FWIW, with my 3030 (H024) and it's "screw on" front sight I'm forced to make any adjustments with the rear sight as there's no shorter front sights available that I can find. I really like Skinner's peep as target acquisition is much faster and better over the semi-buckhorn sight. I feel confident I'll get it spot on. I'll post up after the longer stem gets delivered,
installed and do my bore sighting again. I'll post the results here...