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Lead VS Jacketed

Post by JEBar » Thu May 26, 2016 4:13 pm

OK, I freely admit I'm not up on all the latest info about many (if not most) current trends in shooting .... one I've been following that has me wondering as to the "why" behind it deals with lead and jacketed bullets .... in several different conversations I've read comments that one should only fire either lead or jacked bullets in a barrel but not both .. :?: .. I don't understand that ? .... I've always fired whatever ammo I have in whatever rifle or pistol I was using .... in our Ruger Redhawk 44, we've literally fired thousands (if not 10's of thousand of each) .... at times I've loaded it with 3 of each .... so my question is, what is the rational behind only firing lead or jacketed .. :?:

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Re: Lead VS Jacketed

Post by CT_Shooter » Thu May 26, 2016 5:56 pm

JEBar wrote: ...so my question is, what is the rational behind only firing lead or jacketed.
Thanks, JEBar. I've also wondered about that. I have fired lead bullets, but I mostly use jacketed for their increased velocity. But, why would restricting a gun to using one or the other matter?
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Re: Lead VS Jacketed

Post by tx gunrunner » Thu May 26, 2016 6:23 pm

This is the short version the jacket bullet leave copper alloy fouling in barrel and lead sticks to this fouling and cause barrel to leaded up barrel very fast and this causes lead bullets to be very inaccurate . Plus it it very hard to remove lead from a leaded up bore . I have 2 barrels for all my Glocks . The stock [ original ] barrel for jacket bullets and I have a Lone Wolf just for lead bullet only . I have guns I shoot only jacket bullets in them and guns that only shoot lead bullet in them . Lead polishes a gun bore the more you shoot them the smooth they get . My 44-40 and Glock below have never had a jacket fire in them and only a wet patch and 2 dry clean the bore pefect .
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Re: Lead VS Jacketed

Post by Squatch » Thu May 26, 2016 6:52 pm

Unfortunately I don't have the option of 2 barrels for my rifles. I do try to keep the barrels free of any fouling lead or otherwise.

I've been experimenting with lead bullets with mixed results. I've been getting some leading at speeds way below what I would expect for supposedly "hard Cast" bullets. I don't know for sure the BHN of the ones I've been using. But the slower I go the less leading I'm getting. The ones I have (500 of them) in 44 mag will soon be tried with some light 44 special loads.

I have had some great luck with some of the newer tech stuff. Berry's copper plated have worked out well in the 44 mag. The Missouri Bullet Company coated bullets 18 BHN have worked quite well in my 45/70 at 1,100+ fps. Neither have caused much fouling of any sort. The cost a little more than straight lead but much less than jacketed ammo. I'll be ordering more of each in both 44 mag and 45/70.

These days for mostly target shooting I don't see the need or expense of factory power level jacketed bullets for MY uses.

For the 44 I load for 2 different guns so that complicates stuff a little.

I'm loading mostly light loads so lead should be ideal. I intend to slug my barrels soon. I need a more precise caliper 1st. Once that's done I'll do some more experimenting with lead bullets.
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Re: Lead VS Jacketed

Post by tx gunrunner » Thu May 26, 2016 7:39 pm

I built this rifle to shoot cast bullets only .. I won a lot of matches and trophies with this gun . I even make a lot of my bullets molds I shoot in my guns too . Here is 2 of them I make .
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Re: Lead VS Jacketed

Post by JEBar » Thu May 26, 2016 8:09 pm

interesting points raised .... it may well be that if I was into long range competitive shooting, I'd look at things differently .... a while back I purchased a Lewis Lead Remover .... while using it I have been pleasantly surprised at the fact we simply don't have any build up in our Redhawk .... as already noted, it has been heavily used with both lead and jacketed bullets .... that may well be due to the fact that I'm not talking about high speed bullets on par with those fired in our 300 WBY .... the only rifles in which I have fired lead bullets are our Henry 44 Mag and 45-70 .... so far the majority of the rounds fired in them have been lead but a large number have been jacketed .... no issues so far

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Re: Lead VS Jacketed

Post by tx gunrunner » Thu May 26, 2016 10:16 pm

I've had a Lewis Lead remover for over 40 yrs .I only use the forcing cone tool for cleaning and polishing the forcing cone . .

Here is the rifle I built for that 400 gr 40 cal bullet mold . You can't buy this brass you must make it . The 40-60 Maynard was sniper rifle in the Civil War and was one of the 1st cartridge in the Civil War
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Re: Lead VS Jacketed

Post by JEBar » Thu May 26, 2016 10:28 pm

thanks for the picture and info .... moving to larger caliber, lead, high grain, slower speed bullets for hunting is an alien concept for me .... historically, I've used jacketed, high speed, flat shooting bullets .... when it comes to punching paper, I've always used whatever I could shoot the cheapest

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Re: Lead VS Jacketed

Post by tx gunrunner » Fri May 27, 2016 2:17 am

Some of my hunting guns when I was able to hunt . My patched round ball in muzzle loader runs almost 2,000 FPS and drops a Tn deer dear in it's tracks .
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Re: Lead VS Jacketed

Post by Travlin » Fri May 27, 2016 8:07 am

Excellent work tx gunrunner
Could you please give a brief explanation of the mold making operation? Do you have to make a cutter (cherry?) that is exactly like the bullet or is it done in several gradual steps? Thanks

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