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Anyone know of someone who has or tried these in a 45-70 case?

Hunter
Yes JEBar shoots them all the time in his. I have also loaded some for my All Weather but I haven't got a chance to shoot them yet. You can also get those from Shooters Pro Shop as factory seconds. That is where JEBar and I have both bought them.

http://www.shootersproshop.com/

yep, Al's correct .... our Henry likes them .... 4 rounds fired at 75 yards a while back .... I'm still refining a range load and believe its getting close

JEBar wrote:yep, Al's correct .... our Henry likes them .... 4 rounds fired at 75 yards a while back .... I'm still refining a range load and believe its getting close

Ahhhhh!!!, there we go...what powder charge and primer did you use?

those were loaded with Nosler's max load of 51.5 gr of IMR 4198 ... standard large rifle primer (again per Nosler), I don't really believe it matters but we use CCI .... recoil not as bad as some other max loads I've tried but still too much for me to want to fire many rounds at at time .... if/when we take her hunting, its most likely the load we will use .... it doesn't take a max load to punch a hole in a target or ring a gong .... in addition I do enjoy firing it .... for a while now I've been working up a trapdoor level load .... early results weren't up to the level I want .... our 45-70 is with us on our current trip to Texas and I plan to work with our latest batch that looked good on a Chrony .... they are loaded with the same bullet pushed by 44 gr of IMR 4198 .... don't know exactly when I will be able to test them, hopefully it won't be too long

OP, are you talking about the pointy tipped 300 from Nosler, or the round tip? You don't want to use the pointy ones in a lever action tubular magazine. They're ok for single shot. Otherwise, use the round tip ones.

bdbrown66 wrote:OP, are you talking about the pointy tipped 300 from Nosler, or the round tip? You don't want to use the pointy ones in a lever action tubular magazine. They're ok for single shot. Otherwise, use the round tip ones.

the Ballistic Silvertips are specifically designed for use in magazine tubes .... best place I've found to purchase them is from Shooter's Pro Shop at this link ===> http://www.shootersproshop.com/nosler-p ... -50ct.html

Right... Those ones are good. But the OP mentioned the Spitzer (pointy) tipped bullets, which are not. I think he was referring to these ones:
http://shop.nosler.com/nosler-bullets/b ... -50ct.html

bdbrown66 wrote:Right... Those ones are good. But the OP mentioned the Spitzer (pointy) tipped bullets, which are not. I think he was referring to these ones:

458cal-300gr-BT-Bullet-Info.jpg

http://shop.nosler.com/nosler-bullets/b ... -50ct.html

Correct these are it..got some loaded up and ready to test.

Hunter2678 wrote:

bdbrown66 wrote:Right... Those ones are good. But the OP mentioned the Spitzer (pointy) tipped bullets, which are not. I think he was referring to these ones:

458cal-300gr-BT-Bullet-Info.jpg

http://shop.nosler.com/nosler-bullets/b ... -50ct.html

Correct these are it..got some loaded up and ready to test.

Those are not for use in a tubular magazine. Single shot only.

bdbrown66 wrote:Those are not for use in a tubular magazine. Single shot only.

while as a matter of personal preference, its not a bullet I would load for use in our 45-70, I can't help but wonder what difference in construction allows Hornady's 45 Cal .458 325 gr FTX bullets (link below) to be specifically recommended for use in rifles with tubular magazines ..


https://www.hornady.com/bullets/rifle/4 ... -marlin#!/

JEBar wrote:

bdbrown66 wrote:Those are not for use in a tubular magazine. Single shot only.

while as a matter of personal preference, its not a bullet I would load for use in our 45-70, I can't help but wonder what difference in construction allows Hornady's 45 Cal .458 325 gr FTX bullets (link below) to be specifically recommended for use in rifles with tubular magazines ..


https://www.hornady.com/bullets/rifle/4 ... -marlin#!/

The difference is that Hornady's bullet has a "gummy" tip, ie. soft rubber/plastic. The Nosler tip is hard plastic.

the tip construction would be the most logical difference .... the tip would have to be made of something soft enough to absorb the pounding of recoil and then regain its original shape

JEBar wrote:the tip construction would be the most logical difference .... the tip would have to be made of something soft enough to absorb the pounding of recoil and then regain its original shape

And also to avoid igniting the primer of the next round in the magazine.

bdbrown66 wrote:

Hunter2678 wrote:

bdbrown66 wrote:Right... Those ones are good. But the OP mentioned the Spitzer (pointy) tipped bullets, which are not. I think he was referring to these ones:

458cal-300gr-BT-Bullet-Info.jpg

http://shop.nosler.com/nosler-bullets/b ... -50ct.html

Correct these are it..got some loaded up and ready to test.

Those are not for use in a tubular magazine. Single shot only.

I will contact nosler but I am planning on shooting them with one chambered and one in the tube for now. Will be my deer round.

Hunter2678 wrote:I will contact nosler but I am planning on shooting them with one chambered and one in the tube for now. Will be my deer round.

please let us know what you are told

I'm pretty sure Nosler will tell you the same thing I did, if for no other reason than liability.

Honestly, at the ranges you are talking about for a 45-70 deer round (250-300 yards max) the pointed Spitzer tip isn't going to add any benefit over the round tip.

Have not shot any yet, but a while back I picked up a box of Hornady 140 gr "LEVERevolution 357 for my BBS. Based on what you guys are saying; are these a bad idea. I know recoil is nothing like the 45-70, just wondering.....

No, the Hornady bullets are fine for tubular magazines. The tip on them is soft, so no issue. The only issue with them is that you have to use shorter brass to get them to cycle in a lever, due to the longer bullet length.

bdbrown66 wrote:No, the Hornady bullets are fine for tubular magazines. The tip on them is soft, so no issue. The only issue with them is that you have to use shorter brass to get them to cycle in a lever, due to the longer bullet length.

Thank you bd, I feel better now cause the were not cheap either!