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Cast bullets in the 1/20 twist 44

Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:19 pm
by Johnnyjr
What cast bullets and what weighs
Are you finding to be the most accurate
In your 44 mag Henry's with the 1/20
Twist rate..Thank you.

Re: Cast bullets in the 1/20 twist 44

Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:47 pm
by BigAl52
Pretty hard to beat MCB 240grain Hi Tek bullets. Id be trying some of those if I had a 44 mag

Re: Cast bullets in the 1/20 twist 44

Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:40 pm
by Vaquero
The 240 and 250 gr cast should work nicely.
With the 1:20 you should be able to use some even heavier bullets.
I have a 320 gr that I cast; but I haven't played with those since Henry swapped my barrel last year.

RP

Re: Cast bullets in the 1/20 twist 44

Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:21 pm
by Johnnyjr
Tried the 240 swc today at 25 yds. Terrible,keyholes all over the place. Thinking of trying the 200 gr.

Re: Cast bullets in the 1/20 twist 44

Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:12 pm
by BigAl52
Have you slugged the bore? Have you tried factory ammo?

Re: Cast bullets in the 1/20 twist 44

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:43 pm
by fortyshooter
Keyhole could be due to too small bullet diameter. From what I read now the Henry rifles come with a .431 bore so best to use a .432 sized lead bullet. A mystery to me how it doesn't effect .430 sized jacket bullets. The 1 in 38 twist would give trouble with a heavier than 240 gr. bullet at over 100 yds. The 240 gr. .430 sized MB bullets I shot were just to the left but grouped well except for a tumbler or two in 8 shots. For steel plinking I'll just move the sight over a click.

Re: Cast bullets in the 1/20 twist 44

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:58 pm
by runnin n gunnin
Hey Forty, I'm going to start calling you the Professor ! ! ! I'm using Focus Factor and couldn't remember all that.

Re: Cast bullets in the 1/20 twist 44

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:08 pm
by Vaquero
😅🤣

RP

Re: Cast bullets in the 1/20 twist 44

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:12 pm
by Vaquero
fortyshooter wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:43 pm
Keyhole could be due to too small bullet diameter. From what I read now the Henry rifles come with a .431 bore so best to use a .432 sized lead bullet. A mystery to me how it doesn't effect .430 sized jacket bullets. The 1 in 38 twist would give trouble with a heavier than 240 gr. bullet at over 100 yds. The 240 gr. .430 sized MB bullets I shot were just to the left but grouped well except for a tumbler or two in 8 shots. For steel plinking I'll just move the sight over a click.
I still haven't slugged the new barrel on the 44, but I haven't shot it much yet either. 😯

RP

Re: Cast bullets in the 1/20 twist 44

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:12 pm
by runnin n gunnin
:P You to Vaquero ???

Re: Cast bullets in the 1/20 twist 44

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:14 pm
by Vaquero
runnin n gunnin wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:12 pm
:P You to Vaquero ???
What?🤔

RP

240 gr cast 44 are keyholeing at 25 yards

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:40 am
by Johnnyjr
Now before any comments I have scrubbed the hell out of this barrel there's no lead in it trying 240 grain cast semi-wide cutter bullets several different powders supposedly hard cast bullet from rimrock. Tried several loads yesterday I only loaded three each at 25 yards they keyhole I mean really bad this has the one and 20 twist Henry big boy all weather model I have not shot any so-called high velocity loads anything over what the manual suggest what do you think is going on here I even tried some 200 grain round nose flat points and they also were key holding if not anyway they were all over the place again at 25 yards now I tried some barns 240 grain factory rounds they shot good I would like to hear some ideas on what might be going on here I appreciate it I'm going to try the same 240 crane bullet only in 44 special just to see what that does thank you very much for any help on this deer season is fast approaching thank you Johnny

Re: 240 gr cast 44 are keyholeing at 25 yards

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:11 am
by BigAl52
No information to help you with. What size are the bullets you are trying and have you slugged the bore

Re: 240 gr cast 44 are keyholeing at 25 yards

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:47 am
by Johnnyjr
How do you slug the bore

Re: Cast bullets in the 1/20 twist 44

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:50 am
by Johnnyjr
It shoots factory ammo just fine.

Re: 240 gr cast 44 are keyholeing at 25 yards

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:28 pm
by BigAl52
You will need to get a hold of some pure lead. Such as a round ball like used in muzzleloading or you can buy a bore slugging kit for that caliber. Even a lead sinker will work. Just needs to be slightly bigger than bore size. Lube it and drive it through the bore with a wood dowel. Needs to be pure lead. then measure it with a caliper. Im sure there is some videos on you tube. Like Forty said I bet the bullets you are shooting are undersized for the bore. Lead bullets need to be one size up from bore size. IE if the bore measures .430 you should be getting bullets sized .431

Re: Cast bullets in the 1/20 twist 44

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:11 pm
by Vaquero
The bore may be a little over sized.
As Al mentioned, slug the bore.

RP

Re: Cast bullets in the 1/20 twist 44

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:49 pm
by JEBar
Johnnyjr wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:50 am
It shoots factory ammo just fine.
with that being the case, have you checked to see if the factor loads are using bullets with the same diameter as the ones you are loading :?:

Re: 240 gr cast 44 are keyholeing at 25 yards

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:29 pm
by Johnnyjr
Yes,I think I need at least .432 diameter. Guess I never noticed the .430 on the box.. oh well,I should have head out of my ass that day..so I'm guess the ,430 jacketed. Just grips the bore better.

Re: 240 gr cast 44 are keyholeing at 25 yards

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:26 pm
by BigAl52
Well if it was me I wouldnt do any more guessing I would definitely slug the bore.