Jacketed VS Coated VS Lead Cast

[DAVIDF]

I've been loading very low recoil rounds for my 45/70 for about a year now. 300, 350, 405 grain. They all shoot fine and are a blast to shoot. 405 gr over black powder at around 1,200 fps pretty much finished off the buffalo. Not much different from 12 grains of Unique.

the only long gun I will load with black powder is our Thompson Center Hawken .... no way I'll use it in any of our Henry rifles .... as best I can tell I plan to load and keep 4 levels of 45-70 on hand .... since almost all of our shooting will be paper punching .... for that I plan to find a build a load using the cheapest lead bullet that works well in our Henry out to 100 +/- yards .... I don't care the weight, the cheapest that works the best is my criteria for paper punching and I plan to keep hundreds on hand .... the second will be a round for hunting Deer, Boar, and/or Black Bear at ranges less than 200 yards .... the bullet for that load will be Nosler's 300 gr BST .... I can't envision the need to keep 50 or so on hand .... the third would be a stronger hunting load built around a 405 grain lead bullet .... here again 50 or so on hand .... the 4th group would be built around a 500 or larger grain bullet (if I could find one) .... basically I will do this and keep 50 or so on hand just to have them .... I wish that down the line I would be able to hunt game that would require such ammo but I have no illusions that will ever happen

I recently ordered some 200 gr RNFP from Penn Bullets for my Big Boy. They may be a good source for a cheap lead bullet for the .45-70. They have a 300gr RNFP with a single lube groove that is priced reasonably (I think based on what I have looked at for .45-70) at 500 for $96. http://www.pennbullets.com/4570/4570-caliber.html They will also size them at .457, .458, or .459. I ordered from them as I have been looking for a 44 mag bullet sized at .432 and couldn't find anything that wasn't as expensive or more than jacketed. I measured my barrel's groove diameter at .431 with a fishing weight. A rep at Henry also confirmed that is their standard. So, .432 sized cast bullets should work well. I got mediocre to extremely poor accuracy with medium to fairly high velocity and a .431 bullet.

[DAVIDF]

tx gunrunner,

Is that a Ruger no. 3 action you used for your 32-40? Beautiful guns you have built.

Have you ever dealt with Uberti High Wall reproductions? If so, what did you think of them?

[tx gunrunner]

tx gunrunner,

Is that a Ruger no. 3 action you used for your 32-40? Beautiful guns you have built.

Have you ever dealt with Uberti High Wall reproductions? If so, what did you think of them?

Yes that is a Ruger no.3 with a Douglas barrel , my trigger I designed and made , plus I cut the lock time down for offhand shooting . I won many matches with that gun .

No .... I have never seen Uberti's High Wall ..............Uberti and Pedersoli make the best reproductions gun in the world in modern and better steel and anything they build is 1st class at a fair price . There is USA company making High Walls but cost is over $3000 ....

[DAVIDF]

tx gunrunner,

Is that a Ruger no. 3 action you used for your 32-40? Beautiful guns you have built.

Have you ever dealt with Uberti High Wall reproductions? If so, what did you think of them?

Yes that is a Ruger no.3 with a Douglas barrel , my trigger I designed and made , plus I cut the lock time down for offhand shooting . I won many matches with that gun .

No .... I have never seen Uberti's High Wall ..............Uberti and Pedersoli make the best reproductions gun in the world in modern and better steel and anything they build is 1st class at a fair price . There is USA company making High Walls but cost is over $3000 ....

As a teenager, I really wanted a Ruger no. 3 in .45-70. Not sure why I never purchased one. I've always liked single shot rifles. Now, I would really love a High Wall in .45 Colt, .38-55, or .45-70. If they built one in .44 Mag, I would probably grab it up quick as I currently hand load for that caliber and have lots of nice Starline brass. They are pretty reasonably priced at $892 from Bud's with free shipping. It is very tempting.

[tx gunrunner]

Pedersoli make a super High Wall in 38-55 . Here is a pic of my BP shooting buddy of 40 yr winning 1st place in AZ state championship shoot with a Pedersoli smooth bore flint .

http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/tipolog ... -wall.html

[DAVIDF]

Very nice. I don't believe I have even seen a Pedersoli in person. Maybe once at a cowboy action competition my wife and I watched. Most were probably Uberti's.

[JEBar]

received the following email from Barnes this morning :

"Hello,

We are anticipating the release of the 30644 sometime in April. Midway USA and Cheaper than Dirt are good places to get them. See these links.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/550668 ... -box-of-50

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product ... 6458844.do

Thanks, Ty"

earlier this morning I received the following update from Barnes :

"Looking at the schedule – it would appear they are in the final stages of production. I expect their release in the next week or two.

Thanks, Ty"

with the full realization that I will probably never hunt something for which this 400 gr bullet is required, I do plan to order a box or two .... having them will pretty well fill all of my (current) wants for bullets to have on hand