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A nice surprise

Post by bandit1250 » Mon Apr 01, 2024 12:31 pm

I had a paper bag in my cabinet under my loading bench I had forgotten a friend gave me a while back. I found it tucked back in a rear corner and ran into it looking for my 6mm X 223 (6 X 45) dies. I opened the bag and was surprised to see it had Federal small rifle 205 primers in it. 800 of the 205 primers. Then also in the bag was 1100 Federal 205 Match primers. I remember not looking in the bag when he left them here and he never said what was in there when we got talking about other things. He was also in a hurry to get going as usual. 1900 primers is a good thing to have with the high prices everywhere now. Also this weekend I called my friend I bought the CZ 452 American from to see if he had any ammo I could buy from him for the 17 HMR. He called back after looking for it and said he would bring it out to me. He came into my room and had a white bag and set it on my loading bench. He then started getting it out and he had 10 full boxes and 30 rounds in the 11th box. I asked him how much for all of it. He said he didn't need it now he had sold the rifle to me. He said I will take $50 for all of it. Worked out to be a real nice Saturday for getting some things I can use.
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Re: A nice surprise

Post by rickhem » Mon Apr 01, 2024 12:44 pm

You've got some generous friends, and I'm sure that probably is a result of things you've done through the years.
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Re: A nice surprise

Post by HenryFan » Mon Apr 01, 2024 1:03 pm

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Re: A nice surprise

Post by Vaquero » Mon Apr 01, 2024 2:20 pm

Cool deal times 2, that's definitely a good day.
So, did you find the dies you were looking for also?

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Re: A nice surprise

Post by bandit1250 » Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:18 pm

Vaquero wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2024 2:20 pm
Cool deal times 2, that's definitely a good day.
So, did you find the dies you were looking for also?

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Yes, I did find the 6X45 dies. I may have to dig deeper to find the dies for the 25-223 Ackley Improved. I no longer have a rifle to fire either round but I hope to find a donor action (hopefully a 700 Rem. short) to get one put together. I had both of those on Sako Vixen actions and killed quite a few deer with both and were 1 shot and down. The 6X45 had a 21" barrel and I used a 70 gr. lead tip Hornady spire point at 3,150 fps. the 75 gr. bullet clocked at 3050 fps.
The 25-223 Ack . Imp. with a 22" barrel and the 87 gr. Hornady Spire point was 2,978 fps. Both were shot through an Oehler chronograph. The 250/3000 Savage was advertised at 3,000 fps with a 87 gr. bullet so the little cartridge held its own against the old Savage and only used 30.5 grs. of powder. To be fair to the old 250 Savage when loaded to higher pressures than the 250 Sav. factory loads my 700 Remington 24" barrel clocked 3,160 and used 38 grs. of powder. The 250 Classic was a great varmint rifle with a 75 gr. Hpt at 3470 fps but then it needed 41 grs. of powder and a lot more muzzle blast. The two rifles based on the 223 case are fine little rifles for deer for hunters with bad shoulders that can't take recoil from bigger rifles.
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Re: A nice surprise

Post by BigAl52 » Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:10 pm

Nice Easter present
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Re: A nice surprise

Post by rickhem » Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:56 am

bandit1250 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:18 pm
Vaquero wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2024 2:20 pm
Cool deal times 2, that's definitely a good day.
So, did you find the dies you were looking for also?

RP
Yes, I did find the 6X45 dies. I may have to dig deeper to find the dies for the 25-223 Ackley Improved. I no longer have a rifle to fire either round but I hope to find a donor action (hopefully a 700 Rem. short) to get one put together. I had both of those on Sako Vixen actions and killed quite a few deer with both and were 1 shot and down. The 6X45 had a 21" barrel and I used a 70 gr. lead tip Hornady spire point at 3,150 fps. the 75 gr. bullet clocked at 3050 fps.
The 25-223 Ack . Imp. with a 22" barrel and the 87 gr. Hornady Spire point was 2,978 fps. Both were shot through an Oehler chronograph. The 250/3000 Savage was advertised at 3,000 fps with a 87 gr. bullet so the little cartridge held its own against the old Savage and only used 30.5 grs. of powder. To be fair to the old 250 Savage when loaded to higher pressures than the 250 Sav. factory loads my 700 Remington 24" barrel clocked 3,160 and used 38 grs. of powder. The 250 Classic was a great varmint rifle with a 75 gr. Hpt at 3470 fps but then it needed 41 grs. of powder and a lot more muzzle blast. The two rifles based on the 223 case are fine little rifles for deer for hunters with bad shoulders that can't take recoil from bigger rifles.
That .25 caliber cartridge sounds interesting.
Is that similar to the 25-45 Sharps that came out a few years back?
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Re: A nice surprise

Post by bandit1250 » Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:38 am

rickhem wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:56 am
bandit1250 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:18 pm
Vaquero wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2024 2:20 pm
Cool deal times 2, that's definitely a good day.
So, did you find the dies you were looking for also?

RP
Yes, I did find the 6X45 dies. I may have to dig deeper to find the dies for the 25-223 Ackley Improved. I no longer have a rifle to fire either round but I hope to find a donor action (hopefully a 700 Rem. short) to get one put together. I had both of those on Sako Vixen actions and killed quite a few deer with both and were 1 shot and down. The 6X45 had a 21" barrel and I used a 70 gr. lead tip Hornady spire point at 3,150 fps. the 75 gr. bullet clocked at 3050 fps.
The 25-223 Ack . Imp. with a 22" barrel and the 87 gr. Hornady Spire point was 2,978 fps. Both were shot through an Oehler chronograph. The 250/3000 Savage was advertised at 3,000 fps with a 87 gr. bullet so the little cartridge held its own against the old Savage and only used 30.5 grs. of powder. To be fair to the old 250 Savage when loaded to higher pressures than the 250 Sav. factory loads my 700 Remington 24" barrel clocked 3,160 and used 38 grs. of powder. The 250 Classic was a great varmint rifle with a 75 gr. Hpt at 3470 fps but then it needed 41 grs. of powder and a lot more muzzle blast. The two rifles based on the 223 case are fine little rifles for deer for hunters with bad shoulders that can't take recoil from bigger rifles.
That .25 caliber cartridge sounds interesting.
Is that similar to the 25-45 Sharps that came out a few years back?
Same thing as my standard 223 case necked up to .257 caliber. My other 25 was still based on the 223 with some of the body taper blown out with the sharper 40* Ackley Improved shoulder. That one gains a little more case capacity and the sharper shoulder casing rarely needs to have the case trimmed. Cutting a longer chamber throat to seat the bullet out farther will allow more case capacity and show more velocity gain than the short throat version. Also played around with the 25/222 Rem. and my uncle had a 223X30 caliber that was very accurate but looked funny. The 25/222 was maybe called the 25 Copperhead. The Thompson/Center 6 TCU, 6.5 TCU and 7 TCU were based off the 223 casing. I believe the 257 Kimber was the 222 Magnum case necked up to .257. The 300 Blackout is a 221 Fireball casing necked up to 30 caliber . These small cases are a lot of fun to shoot and easy to load and can be very accurate and are very efficient per grain of powder and have super long barrel life. I had both of the 25 caliber ones and the 6X45 version over 40 years ago and I really want to put another one together if possible.
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Re: A nice surprise

Post by rickhem » Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:32 pm

bandit1250 wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:38 am
My other 25 was still based on the 223 with some of the body taper blown out with the sharper 40* Ackley Improved shoulder. That one gains a little more case capacity and the sharper shoulder casing rarely needs to have the case trimmed. Cutting a longer chamber throat to seat the bullet out farther will allow more case capacity and show more velocity gain than the short throat version.
This sounds like a lot more than a hobby or simple pastime activity. You're pretty deep into the tech side.
I really like your thoughts on that .25 with the Ackley shoulder angle, and having a longer chamber throat. That would be a really nice deer/coyote/hog set-up, and would make for a nice, easy carrying rig in general.
Nice!
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Re: A nice surprise

Post by bandit1250 » Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:33 pm

rickhem wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:32 pm
bandit1250 wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:38 am
My other 25 was still based on the 223 with some of the body taper blown out with the sharper 40* Ackley Improved shoulder. That one gains a little more case capacity and the sharper shoulder casing rarely needs to have the case trimmed. Cutting a longer chamber throat to seat the bullet out farther will allow more case capacity and show more velocity gain than the short throat version.
This sounds like a lot more than a hobby or simple pastime activity. You're pretty deep into the tech side.
I really like your thoughts on that .25 with the Ackley shoulder angle, and having a longer chamber throat. That would be a really nice deer/coyote/hog set-up, and would make for a nice, easy carrying rig in general.
Nice!
This is another brain storm I came up with that I wanted to build. Based on a 280 Ackley Improved case necked up to 8mm. More energy than the 30-06 Ackley Improved and able to shoot heavier weight bullets. After seeing guys at the range shooting a 8mm Remington magnum I put that build on the back burner as something not needed for hunting here. I like the Ackley Improved version of different cartridges and probably the one that is the most impressive is the 250 Savage Ackley Improved. Real chronograph numbers not guessing what it might be doing in velocity.
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