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44-40 loading no problem even with wrong tooling!

Post by fortyshooter » Sun Sep 17, 2023 4:08 pm

So I want to try the Xtreme 200 gr 44 bullet for a .44-40 test load in my Winchester 1892. This bullet is .430 diameter and so is the MB 200 gr cast bullet. My bore slugged to .430 and the only factory ammo is HSM .428 a bit small for my bore and the rifle should shoot better. I do know my Uberti 1873 carbine likes the Xtreme bullet much better than the MB bullet so that's what I will start with and will try 6.0 of Red Dot and then 8.0 gr of Unique.
Now I have 2 more boxes of 50 HSM ammo coming thru Cabelas since it was almost 10 bucks a box cheaper than last place I ordered and I got 23 buck discount using my Cabels points. No shipping cost because it will be sent to my local store. Plan is to remove the bullets and powder from the number of rounds I want to load and then use my bullet and powder. Cases already sized to so setup my Dillon 550 to make up a dummy round.

Now I am doing this using my Dillon .44 Mag/Special dies....oh horror Forty will crush those delicate 44-40 cases!!! NOT! :D

I had to slightly push the case into the 44 Mag shell plate it is a little tight but will go. Then set up the powder dump neck sizer using 44 Mag die for a slight flair for bullet start. The neck sizing fit was perfect and no buckling or anything yet. Then rotate plate to the seating die and no issues there adjusting to get my 1.580 COL....no bulging or buckling going on yet! Last moving to crimp die which is the Dillon taper crimp which is where some folks panic and lose their religion with these fragile 44-40 cases I hear about. No problem slowly adjusting the die down till I get the brass neck to slightly taper in....very slight like a .45 ACP or how I crimp my 44 Mag load using same type bullet....Worked fine!
Now I have heard about a .430 bullet might not chamber all the way in the 44-40 rifle due to increased bullet diameter or bulged case. No problem as the round slid right in the chamber and bottomed on case head. Then loaded it in magazine and cycled with no issues. Success!
All I really need to do is order the 44-40 shell plate from Dillon which they have in stock for easier loading the brass and then ready to reload!
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Re: 44-40 loading no problem even with wrong tooling!

Post by BigAl52 » Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:26 pm

Never had as issue loading those here. Whats really fun is loading them with BP casting that RCBS bullet Mike Venturino used and shooting that load. very accurate in an 1873 Uberti I onced owned
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Re: 44-40 loading no problem even with wrong tooling!

Post by fortyshooter » Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:37 pm

No real black here but do have a bunch of the Black MZ I bought some years back on a close out deal...like 9.99 a pound.

I will need at some point to get a sizing die for the first stage to use the spent cases.

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