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S&W Model 28 vs. Oklahoma LE Handgun Course
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:07 am
by Hrfunk
Hi all! Here is the newest in this series of videos. In this one, the big Model 28 is taking on a very challenging course from the Sooner State. Be sure to let me know what you think!
Howard
https://youtu.be/ATRP8ZaY3is
Re: S&W Model 28 vs. Oklahoma LE Handgun Course
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:46 am
by BrokenolMarine
I would see that as a simple course compared to many, but since many of the departments out there are very small with corresponding training budgets, I can understand why it might be they put together a simple, straightforward course.
My daughter lives in an OK town so small the Sheriff's Dept consists of the Sheriff and a dispatcher.

You call the dispatch and outline your problem... The gal asks, "How would YOU handle it?". You outline your plan... "The Sheriff is tied up, do that."

Re: S&W Model 28 vs. Oklahoma LE Handgun Course
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:53 pm
by Hrfunk
BrokenolMarine wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:46 am
I would see that as a simple course compared to many, but since many of the departments out there are very small with corresponding training budgets, I can understand why it might be they put together a simple, straightforward course.
My daughter lives in an OK town so small the Sheriff's Dept consists of the Sheriff and a dispatcher.

You call the dispatch and outline your problem... The gal asks, "How would YOU handle it?". You outline your plan... "The Sheriff is tied up, do that."
Suddenly, I envy that Sheriff!
Howard
Re: S&W Model 28 vs. Oklahoma LE Handgun Course
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:31 pm
by JEBar
well done as usual .... just wondering, have you heard anything about why no reloading the the OK course

Re: S&W Model 28 vs. Oklahoma LE Handgun Course
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:38 pm
by Hrfunk
JEBar wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:31 pm
well done as usual .... just wondering, have you heard anything about why no reloading the the OK course
Nothing authoritative so far. Just speculation.
Howard
Re: S&W Model 28 vs. Oklahoma LE Handgun Course
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:32 pm
by PT7
The revolver with full magnum loads was again the victor. Each time I watch how solidly a revolver still performs under your excellent handling, it's an encouragement to keep on shooting and improve with my Schofield S/A.
With the evals you're planning, broken down into smaller groups until you find a number one qual and firearm, do you have a final goal of providing a report in some fashion to the 50 states? I wonder if the state qual evaluators might make use of such firearm comparisons and performance evals you're generating? So, do you have plans to move out all this info down-the-road?
Thanks for all you're doing to pull these together for our viewing. They have been most interesting. And only 43 to go!
PT7
Re: S&W Model 28 vs. Oklahoma LE Handgun Course
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:40 am
by 220
One thing I have noticed is you don't use the barricade for cover in any of the courses of fire.
All the comp shooting I have done in matches based on these type of courses stipulate in the rules the shooters feet can not be outside the edge of the barricade. You stand behind the barricade and shoot around it. I might be off track but if the barricade isnt being used for cover then there would be no point having it in the course of fire.
Might be something to check out when the course of fire says from a barricade.
Re: S&W Model 28 vs. Oklahoma LE Handgun Course
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:56 am
by Hrfunk
220 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:40 am
One thing I have noticed is you don't use the barricade for cover in any of the courses of fire.
All the comp shooting I have done in matches based on these type of courses stipulate in the rules the shooters feet can not be outside the edge of the barricade. You stand behind the barricade and shoot around it. I might be off track but if the barricade isnt being used for cover then there would be no point having it in the course of fire.
Might be something to check out when the course of fire says from a barricade.
Thanks! For the most part, the only thing I have to go by is the course description. I try to follow the instructions to the letter, and if something is not specified, then I tend to regard it as the shooter's option. Some course descriptions are more detailed than others.
Howard
Re: S&W Model 28 vs. Oklahoma LE Handgun Course
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:17 am
by North Country Gal
Love those old Model 28s, originally named the Highway Patrolman, before its name was changed to the Model 28. We have an early 70s vintage 28-2 and it's my husbands favorite centerfire revolver to the point of not having much interest in shooting anything else. He has huge hands and he really does need that big 28-2 to be comfy.
The 28 has a very interesting history, by the way. For a time after WW II, the only 357 revolver being made was the very expensive, hand-fitted and highly polished S&W Model 27. Law enforcement and civilians loved it, but the price was out of reach for most folks, so shooters and LE agencies asked S&W to produce a more affordable version. Thus the Highway Patrolman/Model 28 was born. It's the same revolver as the Model 27, but without the polishing and fancy finish, which was actually an advantage for LE work. In other words, the 28 was a budget 27, but still a 27 as far as build construction and durability. The 28 was one of the few instances where S&W actually removed features to make a new model.
These are big N frame revolvers, by the way, the same frame size S&W later used for their 44 mag Model 29s. Light and dainty revolvers they are not. They are the tanks of the 357 DA revolver world. Definitely larger than needed for a 357, but that also made the 28s able to withstand a lot of punishment and heavy shooting use.
Here's our 28-2 with a grip set I modified to fit my hubby's larger hands. Bought it at an estate auction and Lord only knows how many rounds it had already seen, but it still shoots like ... a trooper.

Re: S&W Model 28 vs. Oklahoma LE Handgun Course
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:55 am
by ESquared
Another great installment in the Series, HR! Your mastery of the full-on 357 Mag load in that big, ol' revolver at those distances with those time constraints is testament to your skills.
Just great shooting, as always! Congrats and look forward to the next one!
Re: S&W Model 28 vs. Oklahoma LE Handgun Course
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:06 pm
by Hrfunk
ESquared wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:55 am
Another great installment in the Series, HR! Your mastery of the full-on 357 Mag load in that big, ol' revolver at those distances with those time constraints is testament to your skills.
Just great shooting, as always! Congrats and look forward to the next one!
Thank you!
Howard
Re: S&W Model 28 vs. Oklahoma LE Handgun Course
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:20 pm
by GFK
Hrfunk wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:07 am
Hi all! Here is the newest in this series of videos. In this one, the big Model 28 is taking on a very challenging course from the Sooner State. Be sure to let me know what you think!
Howard
https://youtu.be/ATRP8ZaY3is
I can see why you call it challenging:the times and changing of shot placement (head shot). Nice work!
Re: S&W Model 28 vs. Oklahoma LE Handgun Course
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:47 pm
by Hrfunk
GFK wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:20 pm
Hrfunk wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:07 am
Hi all! Here is the newest in this series of videos. In this one, the big Model 28 is taking on a very challenging course from the Sooner State. Be sure to let me know what you think!
Howard
https://youtu.be/ATRP8ZaY3is
I can see why you call it challenging:the times and changing of shot placement (head shot). Nice work!
Thank you!
Howard
Re: S&W Model 28 vs. Oklahoma LE Handgun Course
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:34 am
by daytime dave
Howard,
That was great shooting with a great handgun. You did a fine job controlling those magnum rounds. I'm sure the heft of the N frame helped a bit. I'm sure hooked on this series. I like how you will review and pick the best when you get ten done. Keep up the great work!
Re: S&W Model 28 vs. Oklahoma LE Handgun Course
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:14 pm
by Hrfunk
daytime dave wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:34 am
Howard,
That was great shooting with a great handgun. You did a fine job controlling those magnum rounds. I'm sure the heft of the N frame helped a bit. I'm sure hooked on this series. I like how you will review and pick the best when you get ten done. Keep up the great work!
Thank you! the next one is coming out tomorrow morning!
Howard
Re: S&W Model 28 vs. Oklahoma LE Handgun Course
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:36 am
by PT7
You posted the NJ qual this morning, and it reminded me that I hadn't seen any comment regarding my inquiry in the OK qual thread. Thought I'd re-submit to you.
Now to check out NJ!!
Hrfunk wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:07 am
Hi all! Here is the newest in this series of videos. In this one, the big Model 28 is taking on a very challenging course from the Sooner State. Be sure to let me know what you think! Howard
With the evals you're planning, broken down into smaller groups until you find a number one qual and firearm, do you have a final goal of providing a report in some fashion to the 50 states? I wonder if the state qual evaluators might make use of such firearm comparisons and performance evals you're generating? So, do you have plans to move out all this info down-the-road?
Re: S&W Model 28 vs. Oklahoma LE Handgun Course
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:22 pm
by Hrfunk
PT7 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:36 am
You posted the NJ qual this morning, and it reminded me that I hadn't seen any comment regarding my inquiry in the OK qual thread. Thought I'd re-submit to you.
Now to check out NJ!!
Hrfunk wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:07 am
Hi all! Here is the newest in this series of videos. In this one, the big Model 28 is taking on a very challenging course from the Sooner State. Be sure to let me know what you think! Howard
With the evals you're planning, broken down into smaller groups until you find a number one qual and firearm, do you have a final goal of providing a report in some fashion to the 50 states? I wonder if the state qual evaluators might make use of such firearm comparisons and performance evals you're generating? So, do you have plans to move out all this info down-the-road?
That depends a little bit on how this all goes. in the end, the information will all be available to anyone who is interested (in video form, no less). Whether anyone in any state cares what I'm doing is beyond my ability to predict.
Howard