1994 444 Marlin

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My cowboy loads for SASS/CAS the pistol is around 750 fps and rifle are around 1000 fps .

[JEBar]

My cowboy loads for SASS/CAS the pistol is around 750 fps and rifle are around 1000 fps .

for shooting a lead 405 gr lead bullet out of a Henry 45-70 for punching paper at ranges out to 100 yards what muzzle velocity would be a good starting point in working up a load

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I sold this a few years ago . I built this 40-60 / 40-70 Maynard which was a used in the Civil War as a sniper cartridge and 1st long range cartridge in the civil war . The 1st one were made by soldering a tube to a flat washer [ see pic ]. I used IMR4227 and shot the 400 gr bullet [ posted in earlier pics ] at 1400 fps to match BP loads . It would shoot 5 rds at 1.75" at 200 yds off cross sticks . The steel targets were all different sizes and all target are placed at unknown yardage over 200 yds . Fun shoot , but it was hard to get people to come out and shoot it . So it died after only 8 matches .

[JEBar]

I used IMR4227 and shot the 400 gr bullet [ posted in earlier pics ] at 1400 fps to match BP loads .

info appreciated .... it gives me a place to start

[tx gunrunner]

All my books are old and don't have the new 20 to 1 twist . I would keep all my loads below 1400 fps .... 1200 fps should give you good accuracy at 100 yds . 13.0 of Unique / 400 gr will be a fun load and no kick or 21.0 of 4227 / 400 gr should be a good start . Both load I would use large pistol primes . I like them on mild cast bullets help to keep leading down and will show pressure signs fast . They will seat a little deeper then large rifle primer and never use mag primers with cast bullets . Both powders will handle reduced loads well .

This a good to buy

[JEBar]

All my books are old and don't have the new 20 to 1 twist . I would keep all my loads below 1400 fps .... 1200 fps should give you good accuracy at 100 yds . 13.0 of Unique / 400 gr will be a fun load and no kick or 21.0 of 4227 / 400 gr should be a good start . Both load I would use large pistol primes . I like them on mild cast bullets help to keep leading down and will show pressure signs fast . They will seat a little deeper then large rifle primer and never use mag primers with cast bullets . Both powders will handle reduced loads well .

This a good to buy

the recommendation for 1200 to 1400 fps is appreciated .... if 1200 will deliver decent accuracy out to 100 yards, that would meet 99% of my needs .... I'm not interested in a rainbow trajectory but it doesn't have to be perfectly flat as well .... I'd of never considered using large pistol primers, thanks for that suggestion .... have plenty of Unique on hand so will start with 13 gr and will be loading 405 Grain Laser Cast ===> http://www.cabelas.com/product/oregon-t ... le+bullets <=== to start with .... may well drop back to their 250 gr bullets after we go through the 405's we have on hand

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If you have 1 in 38" twist the 250 gr should work . If you have a 1 in 20 twist your wasting your money on 250 gr the odds are against you . If you want a flat trajectory you picked the wrong gun and caliber . You need to switch to a 30-30 in a lever gun . Remember everything falls at the same rate per second [ 32.2 fps ] . If you shoot 2 guns 3 ft off the ground and you shoot 1 at 1000 fps and the other one at 3000 fps they both hit the ground at the same exact time . Just 1 will be 2000 ft farther . I hope this makes sense

[JEBar]

If you have 1 in 38" twist the 250 gr should work . If you have a 1 in 20 twist your wasting your money on 250 gr the odds are against you . If you want a flat trajectory you picked the wrong gun and caliber . You need to switch to a 30-30 in a lever gun . Remember everything falls at the same rate per second [ 32.2 fps ] . If you shoot 2 guns 3 ft off the ground and you shoot 1 at 1000 fps and the other one at 3000 fps they both hit the ground at the same exact time . Just 1 will be 2000 ft farther . I hope this makes sense

no clue as to the twist .... I looked on Henry's website and didn't see it mentioned .... I may have conveyed the wrong message about what I want in the trajectory .... I have no problem with a trajectory that is zeroed at 100 yards a couple of inches (more or less) high at 50 yards .... I certainly need to spend some more time on the range but so far HSM Cowboy Action loads seem to do fine

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JEBar .......... I'm on 6 other forum and I just notice you are not the author of this post . All the information I gave you was for a 1994 Marlin in 444 . Please tell me the rifle and caliber you have . I look back it looks like you have a 45-70 Henry which has a 1 in 20 twist . 405 gr bullet should be best for that twist . I wouldn't load anything below 300 gr for that twist and it with be hard to keep the bullet stabilized at 100 yds . Those load should work for you .,

[JEBar]

JEBar .......... I'm on 6 other forum and I just notice you are not the author of this post . All the information I gave you was for a 1994 Marlin in 444 . Please tell me the rifle and caliber you have . I look back it looks like you have a 45-70 Henry which has a 1 in 20 twist . 405 gr bullet should be best for that twist . I wouldn't load anything below 300 gr for that twist and it with be hard to keep the bullet stabilized at 100 yds .

yes, I do have a Henry 45-70 rifle, info appreciated .... good to hear the 405 gr should do well, I have several boxes of them on hand ...