Henrys Original

[Mistered]

Well. like I said, anything is possible.

VERY true.
Val Forgett of Navy Arms started out manufacturing his Henry replica in the U.S. - then was instrumental in developing the Italian manufacturers to produce them creating the beginning of the replica firearms industry.

[Jdl447]

So what is he saying exactly? The receivers are cast in the same foundry as the Uberti receiver? I doubt Henry owns their own foundry anyway. Guy sounds clueless.

[dddrees]

Well. like I said, anything is possible. The Uberti 1885 High Wall I have coming has a match grade barrel made by Pedersoli according to info I have read. So it's quite possible that all these replica gun parts get around. Seems unlikely though, and how would anyone ever prove it unless the Mfgs come clean.

The other thing too: I very much doubt HRA would jeopardize their Made In America or Not Made at All brand slogan. They hang their hats on that one. Credibility would be toast.

Well if they did and it came out given Henry’s customer base It wouldn’t only be their credibility that would suffer.

[dddrees]

Well. like I said, anything is possible. The Uberti 1885 High Wall I have coming has a match grade barrel made by Pedersoli according to info I have read. So it's quite possible that all these replica gun parts get around. Seems unlikely though, and how would anyone ever prove it unless the Mfgs come clean.

The other thing too: I very much doubt HRA would jeopardize their Made In America or Not Made at All brand slogan. They hang their hats on that one. Credibility would be toast.

Well if they did and it came out given Henry’s customer base It wouldn’t only be their credibility that would suffer.

[Vaquero]

Heard ya first time dddrees.

RP

[Mistered]

Not suggesting anything but 'Made in America' could have been 'interpolated' from what should have been 'Assembled in America' .
All just speculation however.

[dddrees]

Not suggesting anything but 'Made in America' could have been 'interpolated' from what should have been 'Assembled in America' .
All just speculation however.

Yeah, but as aggressive as they go about making that claim I think their customers would take it very differently. Besides when Anthony made that YouTube video describing where everything thing comes from he never once mentions anything but the USA.

[RanchRoper]

I think the guy's full of crap. HRA makes theirs and Uberti makes their own. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[RanchRoper]

Not suggesting anything but 'Made in America' could have been 'interpolated' from what should have been 'Assembled in America' .
All just speculation however.

Yeah, but as aggressive as they go about making that claim I think their customers would take it very differently. Besides when Anthony made that YouTube video describing where everything thing comes from he never once mentions anything but the USA.

Meant to ask you, how does your HRA 1860 shoot?

[BigAl52]

This guy wont even budge off his comment. He still says parts are made by Uberti and the gun is assembled here. I asked him for proof of his claim but he hasnt provided any yet only here say. Now hes calling names. Easy to do with a keyboard in front of you.

Here ya go Al.


Quote Originally Posted by BigAl52 View Post
Id sure like to see the proof you have that Henry Repeating Arms 1860 Original is made by Uberti.


When I worked in the firearms industry Henry was just starting to sell .22's and the company I was with was working with Colt our Colt rep told me about the how Henry's owner got there start up funding. It was buy assembling all those second generation black powder series colt revolvers. Which were Uberti parts finished by Colt and assembled by Henry (Tony Imperito) One thing I learned about the industry is why waste your money on tooling and setting up heavy equipment when you can farm it out. When the Henry co started making "original" Henry's
it wasn't too hard to figure out. Henry plus Uberti equals "original" Henry. Yes the fit and finish is higher quality but its still coming from the same foundry.


RP

Vaquero I read that. But what proof is there in that comment.

[Vaquero]

None.

RP

[dddrees]

All I would stipulate is that I have no actual evidence or proof of what Henry is actually doing.

However I would say that the material they are using such as their wood and even their receivers on the Original Henry appear to be exactly what they are using on their Big Boys . A bit fancier to a degree with regards to their stocks but certainly by all accounts not the European wood that Uberti uses which supposedly is actually grey underneath that red varnish and tends to be a bit softer from what I have read. I haven't tested the alloy on the receiver but by all appearances it appears to be an exact match with regards to the type of alloy I've seen on their Big Boys. Even though I have yet to see a Henry from Uberti this alloy is significantly different than what is on my Winchester 1866. So when I mentioned DNA earlier that's basically what I meant. The Original Henry also uses Mim parts and I have yet to read that Uberti does that. Also from everything I have read is that Uberti uses softer headed screws which does not appear to be the type of screws used on my rifle. So the differences in my opinion are not just due to a higher polish or over polish which is what they did on the barrel but there are some good examples of actual differences in at least some of the type of parts being used.

[RanchRoper]

Just my opinion but I think the Uberti fills the bill if you want a very close replica and HRA one if you want a very high end flashy one. Either way, you are in for a treat at the shooting range.

[dddrees]

Just my opinion but I think the Uberti fills the bill if you want a very close replica and HRA one if you want a very high end flashy one. Either way, you are in for a treat at the shooting range.

Of course my comments may typically come off in favor of the Henry Repeating Arms Henry but that's typicall of someone who chose one over another. But there are many who like you have chosen the Uberti over the Henry Repeating Arms version. This of course goes for the Winchester Miroku versions vs Uberti. This also goes for Ruger vs Uberti.

Just so happens I have always chosen something other than Uberti. But without a doubt the major case Uberti can always make is how close their replicas actually replicate the original. They tend to always come out on top when it comes to this point.

By no means does this not mean I don't see and others agree with you that the Uberti's plusses can actually be a better fit depending on ones likes and dislikes. Just a great thing we actually have choices.


By the way I do really wish Henry Repeating Arms had choosen not to be so flashy with the polishing job they did on the barrel and magazine. I also wish Henry hadn't chosen to use Mim parts or that their ladder sight didn't feel so weak. But as mentioned all of these replicas to one degree or another are a compromise and when choosing as long as you recognize that then you"ll better understand what options you actually have.

[RanchRoper]

It's all good....just get out and shoot 'em!

[Mags]

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So true. Even if Tony, getting Henry started in the 90's, did assemble guns in the U.S. from Uberti parts then, it doesn't mean once Henry was on it's feet it continued to do so. Today 'I believe' they make the unique parts that make up a Henry rifle, but buy common parts like washers, o-rings, studs and such from other U.S. manufactures.

... have no actual evidence or proof of what Henry is actually doing.
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[dddrees]

This is the video I spoke of and starting at 4:00 is where Anthony speaks about where various parts and components come from.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... nJK8hlD_NY

[Mistered]

This also goes for Ruger vs Uberti.

What do Ruger and Uberti make in common?

[dddrees]

This also goes for Ruger vs Uberti.

What do Ruger and Uberti make in common?

SA Revolvers. As appealing as the Ubertis are I have always chosen to get a Ruger for various reasons which work better for me instead.

[Mistered]

Those who choose Uberti probably do so for the authenticity of having a Colt replica.
Ruger isn't really replicating anything specific but are producing a quality SA revolver of their own design.
An I too am a fan of Ruger and have owned several - but none currently.