Spring has sprung. Get out and shoot your Henry

NO CB or SHOTSHELLS?

User avatar
Steve51
Cattle Driver
Posts: 697
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:58 am
Location: West Union, Illinois
United States of America

NO CB or SHOTSHELLS?

Post by Steve51 » Sat Feb 11, 2023 12:56 pm

Just bought another Henry rifle - this time a H001L (.22 Classic Carbine)

When reading the manual on page 10 (ammunition), the manual says do not use CB or Shotshells in any Henry lever action .22

I have never used any of this ammunition in my .22 rifles but I know people who like to use the sub-sonic ammo around their house or in town. Anyone know why Henry warns owners not to use the above mentioned ammo in their rifles?
0 x
H001, H001L, H004, H001TM, H001TLB, H006, H010, H012M, H012GR
NRA Member, GOA Member, ISRA Member, ILCCW

PBSnooker
Cowhand
Posts: 137
Joined: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:35 pm
United States of America

Re: NO CB or SHOTSHELLS?

Post by PBSnooker » Sat Feb 11, 2023 1:00 pm

The shot from the shotshells may distort the rifling. I don't know what CB means.
0 x

User avatar
Mags
Ranch Foreman
Posts: 6908
Joined: Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:40 pm
Location: Tualatin Valley Oregon
United States of America

Re: NO CB or SHOTSHELLS?

Post by Mags » Sat Feb 11, 2023 1:39 pm

Guessing CB - Cast Bullet
0 x
UPDATES: OR passes 114, "one of strictest gun control measures in U.S." https://henryrifleforums.com/viewtopic. ... 34#p213234

User avatar
daytime dave
Administrator / Owner
Posts: 4831
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2016 10:27 pm
Location: Upstate NY
United States of America

Re: NO CB or SHOTSHELLS?

Post by daytime dave » Sat Feb 11, 2023 2:21 pm

.22 shot shells belong in the Henry garden gun shotgun. Videos on youtube show that they don't do much out of the rifled barrels. The garden gun does a nice job if the range isn't too far.

I know that low powered ammo might not make it out of the barrel, like Aquila primer only .22 shells. They get quieter and slower the longer the barrel.
0 x
Some days I'm Andy, most days I'm Barney........
Eaglescout, NRA Life Endowment member, BCCI Life Member

User avatar
Steve51
Cattle Driver
Posts: 697
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:58 am
Location: West Union, Illinois
United States of America

Re: NO CB or SHOTSHELLS?

Post by Steve51 » Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:02 pm

I think, but not positive, that CB ammo is sub-sonic .22 ammo with lighter grain bullets for things like pest control or target shooting.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1601355683?pid=493999
0 x
H001, H001L, H004, H001TM, H001TLB, H006, H010, H012M, H012GR
NRA Member, GOA Member, ISRA Member, ILCCW

User avatar
Vaquero
Ranch Boss
Posts: 10343
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:56 am
Location: Somewhere between Memphis & Nashville
United States of America

Re: NO CB or SHOTSHELLS?

Post by Vaquero » Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:15 pm

Steve51 wrote:
Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:02 pm
I think, but not positive, that CB ammo is sub-sonic .22 ammo with lighter grain bullets for things like pest control or target shooting.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1601355683?pid=493999
Well then, I certainly don't understand that.

RP
0 x
Monte Walsh "You have No idea how little I care". :lol:

Ain't No Apologies for My Temperament :shock:
Si vis pacem, para bellum
H001, H006, H012

User avatar
CT_Shooter
Administrator emeritus
Posts: 5156
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:42 am
Location: Connecticut
United States of America

Re: NO CB or SHOTSHELLS?

Post by CT_Shooter » Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:03 pm

Image
22 CB Cap, 22 Short, 22 LR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_CB wrote:
The original .22 CB cap has the same tiny case as the .22 BB cap and the two cartridges are interchangeable. There are now .22 rounds sold as .22 CB Short and .22 CB Long which come in the standard .22 Rimfire cartridge case sizes to allow the rounds to be used in standard magazine-fed firearms which would likely jam with the tiny BB or CB cases. The CCI .22 CB Short and .22 CB Long use the same 29-grain bullet as the regular .22 Short and .22 Long. The CCI CB rounds have muzzle velocities of 720 feet per second (ft/s) for an impact energy of 33 foot/pounds (ft-lb). The standard .22 Short and .22 Long fire the same bullet weight at 1,045 ft/s for 70 ft-lb. The CB rounds are relatively quiet for short range target practice, control of small pests, or use in older .22 guns that might not be safe with modern high pressure rounds. For trapping these CB Short and CB Long rounds in indoor target practice, a standard .22 bullet trap is needed. Other modern CB type rounds, such as the .22 Aguila Colibri and .22 Aguila Super Colibri, have bullets in the same weight range as the original CB cap with velocities in the 300 ft/s to 500 ft/s range using the Long case
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_CB wrote:The .22 CB cap has a very small propellant charge (usually no gunpowder, just the primer), resulting in a low muzzle velocities of between 350 and 853 feet per second (107 and 260 m/s).[3] Due to their low power, classic CB rounds used in indoor target practice can be trapped by many pellet gun traps since some modern pellet guns exceed the velocity of the CB round (however, this depends on the limits designed in the individual pellet trap). In longer rifle barrels the CB has a very quiet, seemingly non-existent report due to the lack of residual pressure at the muzzle (see Internal ballistics). The CB loses velocity fast in longer barrels, due to the lack of anything other than the primer as a propellant.
3 x
H006M Big Boy Brass .357 - H001 Classic .22LR - Uberti / Taylors & Co. SmokeWagon .357 5.5" - Uberti / Taylors & Co. RanchHand .22LR 5.5"

User avatar
Vaquero
Ranch Boss
Posts: 10343
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:56 am
Location: Somewhere between Memphis & Nashville
United States of America

Re: NO CB or SHOTSHELLS?

Post by Vaquero » Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:14 pm

Ok, probably way to short to cycle.

RP
0 x
Monte Walsh "You have No idea how little I care". :lol:

Ain't No Apologies for My Temperament :shock:
Si vis pacem, para bellum
H001, H006, H012

PBSnooker
Cowhand
Posts: 137
Joined: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:35 pm
United States of America

Re: NO CB or SHOTSHELLS?

Post by PBSnooker » Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:28 pm

I assume there is a chance for a cb round to get stuck in a rifle barrel?
0 x

User avatar
CT_Shooter
Administrator emeritus
Posts: 5156
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:42 am
Location: Connecticut
United States of America

Re: NO CB or SHOTSHELLS?

Post by CT_Shooter » Sat Feb 11, 2023 6:11 pm

PBSnooker wrote:
Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:28 pm
I assume there is a chance for a cb round to get stuck in a rifle barrel?
Check out this interesting thread on the topic.

http://henryrifleforums.com/viewtopic.p ... la+Colibri
1 x
H006M Big Boy Brass .357 - H001 Classic .22LR - Uberti / Taylors & Co. SmokeWagon .357 5.5" - Uberti / Taylors & Co. RanchHand .22LR 5.5"

Post Reply