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Dirty Firing Ammo?

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Re: Dirty Firing Ammo?

Post by Mags » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:22 am

JEBar wrote:what color is the solvent
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Re: Dirty Firing Ammo?

Post by Mags » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:14 am

PT7 wrote:Recently in another thread http://henryrifleforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=719 I mentioned that I changed my cleaning routine and used rolled-up patches to block each end of barrel...

...There may be certain ammo brands that "fire cleaner," but once you pull that trigger on a clean firearm, it's dirty again...
Looks like the older thread I was referring to in my earlier post above. Where I got the idea from to plug the bore ends and soak. I didn't want seepage is why I chose to use the squeeg-e instead of rolled swabs. Thank you for the soak idea.

No doubt. Obvious truth in pulling the trigger it's dirty again. What I was getting at is it seems my Henry is dirtier after a firing session than my other firearms. Cleaning both side by side, takes more swabs to clean out my Henry and the initial swabs are blacker. From there this topic segwayed into copper fouling.

I haven't observed the orange copper fouling that GFK shows in his pictures. I discovered it earlier while running a sopping wet swab with Hoppes through the bore and getting blue/green gunk out of the bore. I knew what I was doing wasn't going be particularly effective at getting the copper out. So your plug the barrel soak idea I adopted from memory, put together with GFK's using Tetra Gun. Since then you provided the link I couldn't find earlier, from the details there I should be soaking over night and keep at it until I get no more purple. I just don't want purple to be a sign I'm eating out my bore.

I have to surmise that Henry must have put a lot of ammo down range during their test firing for the level of copper fouling I'm getting out.
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Re: Dirty Firing Ammo?

Post by GFK » Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:59 pm

Mags wrote:I discovered it earlier while running a sopping wet swab with Hoppes through the bore and getting blue/green gunk out of the bore. I knew what I was doing wasn't going be particularly effective at getting the copper out. So your plug the barrel soak idea I adopted from memory, put together with GFK's using Tetra Gun. Since then you provided the link I couldn't find earlier, from the details there I should be soaking over night and keep at it until I get no more purple. I just don't want purple to be a sign I'm eating out my bore.

I have to surmise that Henry must have put a lot of ammo down range during their test firing for the level of copper fouling I'm getting out.
I originally noticed the copper fouling while using Hoppe's as well. The longest I have let the stuff soak so far is about 1-1 1/2 hour (wife wanted to go to the store). The directions on the bottle state 15-30 minutes. I try and follow the directions unless something comes up (i.e. wife wanting a driver for a store run).

I also thought Henry must have fired a few test rounds. I looked at a 2018 H009 earlier and noticed no copper streaks. So, someone at the factory knows how to clean a barrel. I guess it is not a fun job to have or not considered important (Being, it is going to get dirty anyway. Why worry about it? Let the owner clean it to his or her heart delights. It works, and that is good enough). Just a thought.
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Re: Dirty Firing Ammo?

Post by Mags » Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:47 pm

I tested Tetra on some copper pennies and got purple. Initially, like within the first 20-30 minutes the copper on the pennies got cleaner without any sign of purple. I went about my day's tasks and came back to the pennies late afternoon. And there is purple. OK so now I'm truly convinced that with Tetra Gun purple means the presence of copper and not something else going on.
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Re: Dirty Firing Ammo?

Post by GFK » Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:39 am

Good for you. Now, all that is left is to get the rest out of the barrel. ;) The delay in turning purple could be due to the amount of copper in the pennies. Pennies made in 1982 and prior made more copper (95%) than those later (2.5%).

http://m.nbc12.com/story/17003531/jens-coin-story
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Re: Dirty Firing Ammo?

Post by Mags » Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:08 am

GFK wrote:... The delay in turning purple could be due to the amount of copper in the pennies. Pennies made in 1982 and prior made more copper (95%) than those later (2.5%).
I know. That's why I used two different pennies. The one on the right 1973 and left 2013. Although copper content is different, I believe the penny surface is 100% copper. The pennies were left unattended so I couldn't say which if either went purple first. Before I flipped the 1973 they looked the same.

If the time it took to turn purple on pennies is any indication, then the 20-30 minutes soak time listed on the bottle isn't near enough. Yup now it's time to give another go or few at the Henry.

Since this topic has wondered off into cleaning, I'm redirecting/resuming this in the cleaning forum under the copper fouling topic.
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Re: Dirty Firing Ammo?

Post by JEBar » Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:18 pm

Mags ...

just curious .... how many rounds would you estimate you have fired through that barrel ....
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Re: Dirty Firing Ammo?

Post by Mags » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:19 pm

JEBar wrote:Mags ... just curious .... how many rounds would you estimate you have fired through that barrel ....
http://henryrifleforums.com/viewtopic.p ... 124#p67106
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