Spring has sprung. Get out and shoot your Henry

Potential Issue With The New Side Loaders

here is a place to discuss anything related to Henry
User avatar
Mistered
Drover
Posts: 3372
Joined: Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:32 pm
Location: Wickiup Junction, OR
United States of America

Re: Potential Issue With The New Side Loaders

Post by Mistered » Tue May 14, 2019 10:21 am

Hey it might be just fine and my concerns unfounded and I hope this is the case but the fact remains it is a very thin point on the receiver.
Like I previously mentioned I experienced a cracked frame on a .22 pistol once.
0 x

User avatar
GFK
Cowboy
Posts: 1918
Joined: Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:56 pm
Location: SE
United States of America

Re: Potential Issue With The New Side Loaders

Post by GFK » Tue May 14, 2019 2:48 pm

ESquared wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 9:55 am
Well, we have at least one live tester among us, so a range report from BigAl would be great. Beyond that, all we can do is see what happens with other "early adopters," about which the interweb will undoubtedly keep us informed.

If that area is going to fail, it seems like we'll hear about it soon enough. If it doesn't, we won't. Beyond that, we're all just speculating.
This is true. I agree. And, I am not crying wolf. I just found the observation interesting. Looking at things from different perspectives can bring something into view. But as you stated, time will tell.
0 x
Actions speak louder than words (Matthew 7:16-20).

User avatar
Mags
Ranch Foreman
Posts: 6883
Joined: Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:40 pm
Location: Tualatin Valley Oregon
United States of America

Re: Potential Issue With The New Side Loaders

Post by Mags » Tue May 14, 2019 5:41 pm

.
'Speculating' is a lot of what we all do here. Keeps goings on stimulating and interesting.

As far as the speculating so far, a lot of it sounds like guessing that a crack is imminent. Likely not. Perhaps with age and stress it's might be an eventuality, so likely not to 'hear about it soon enough' anytime soon. Speculating, it might be a long while, if it manifests. Speculating further, maybe Henry has some good mechanical and strength-of-materials-engineers and in modern design/manufacturing they have corresponding simulation software, that gives them confidence in the thinness there. One thing they haven't got is actual accelerated life MTBF data. Even an accelerated life test(ALT) takes time and the rifle is too new for enough test time to have elapsed to have useful data. Then there is test sample size. Minimum is 16 for an 80% confidence factor. ALT time can be reduced with a larger sample size. But in Henry's position, they are likely not doing any ALT, instead selling what might have been the test samples to customers for revenue. Customers then unwittingly become the source for any life time data that Henry eventually garners through warranty returns. That's my contribution to all that here 'specualtin'. :mrgreen: Isn't this fun?
ESquared wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 9:55 am
Well, we have at least one live tester among us, so a range report from BigAl would be great. Beyond that, all we can do is see what happens with other "early adopters," about which the interweb will undoubtedly keep us informed.

If that area is going to fail, it seems like we'll hear about it soon enough. If it doesn't, we won't. Beyond that, we're all just speculating.
0 x
UPDATES: OR passes 114, "one of strictest gun control measures in U.S." https://henryrifleforums.com/viewtopic. ... 34#p213234

User avatar
CT_Shooter
Administrator emeritus
Posts: 5152
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:42 am
Location: Connecticut
United States of America

Re: Potential Issue With The New Side Loaders

Post by CT_Shooter » Tue May 14, 2019 5:48 pm

Since HRA stands solidly behind their products, they obviously had the confidence in their design to release the rifle(s) as they are. If there's an unknown issue to address, they will mitigate it. Love this company. No speculation is required.
4 x
H006M Big Boy Brass .357 - H001 Classic .22LR - Uberti / Taylors & Co. SmokeWagon .357 5.5" - Uberti / Taylors & Co. RanchHand .22LR 5.5"

User avatar
Bugs
Cowhand
Posts: 359
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:07 am
Location: SW FL
United States of America

Re: Potential Issue With The New Side Loaders

Post by Bugs » Tue May 14, 2019 5:58 pm

Mistered wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 10:29 pm
Sounds like how a Winchester man slams a Marlin
No, it is how a long time, experienced owner of BOTH Winchesters and Marlins sees it.
A Winchester is a top eject so this does not apply.
This same area on a Marlin is approximately a 1/4" - see attached pic.
scope-630x339.jpg

Now look at the same area on the Henry (identified with the red arrow) - considerably thinner:
NEW.jpg
I am simply pointing this out as an experienced gun owner (as well as a metal fabricator) this is a potential weak area and should have been designed with a little more 'meat' in this area - make sense?
I like my Henry and respect the company but I am NOT one who puts 'idolatry' of a product over potential problems I see - and might have been overlooked.
The fact remains this area is very thin and will be subject to a fair amount of concussion impact from the larger cartridges.
Heck they had rifles with the load tubes cracking and they weren't anywhere the receiver - just saying.
If you look at your pics you'll notice the top of the receiver/frame on the Marlin is significantly thinner than the Henry. One could argue that's a weak area on the Marlin that should crack but it doesn't. The frame area you are referring to on the Henry also has significant depth and is highly unlikely to suffer a stress crack in that location. You would need a significant out of battery firing/explosion to even come close to considering pressure spike issues in the location you are referencing. Looks like a non issue to me.
3 x

User avatar
GFK
Cowboy
Posts: 1918
Joined: Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:56 pm
Location: SE
United States of America

Re: Potential Issue With The New Side Loaders

Post by GFK » Tue May 14, 2019 6:00 pm

Mags wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 5:41 pm
.
'Speculating' is a lot of what we all do here. Keeps goings on stimulating and interesting.

As far as the speculating so far, a lot of it sounds like guessing that a crack is imminent. Likely not. Perhaps with age and stress it's might be an eventuality, so likely not to 'hear about it soon enough' anytime soon. Speculating, it might be a long while, if it manifests. Speculating further, maybe Henry has some good mechanical and strength-of-materials-engineers and in modern design/manufacturing they have corresponding simulation software, that gives them confidence in the thinness there. One thing they haven't got is actual accelerated life MTBF data. Even an accelerated life test(ALT) takes time and the rifle is too new for enough test time to have elapsed to have useful data. Then there is test sample size. Minimum is 16 for an 80% confidence factor. ALT time can be reduced with a larger sample size. But in Henry's position, they are likely not doing any ALT, instead selling what might have been the test samples to customers for revenue. Customers then unwittingly become the source for any life time data that Henry eventually garners through warranty returns. That's my contribution to all that here 'specualtin'. :mrgreen: Isn't this fun?
ESquared wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 9:55 am
Well, we have at least one live tester among us, so a range report from BigAl would be great. Beyond that, all we can do is see what happens with other "early adopters," about which the interweb will undoubtedly keep us informed.

If that area is going to fail, it seems like we'll hear about it soon enough. If it doesn't, we won't. Beyond that, we're all just speculating.
Somebody is bored. It might be time to do some shooting? :D
1 x
Actions speak louder than words (Matthew 7:16-20).

User avatar
GFK
Cowboy
Posts: 1918
Joined: Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:56 pm
Location: SE
United States of America

Re: Potential Issue With The New Side Loaders

Post by GFK » Tue May 14, 2019 6:04 pm

Bugs wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 5:58 pm
If you look at your pics you'll notice the top of the receiver/frame on the Marlin is significantly thinner than the Henry. One could argue that's a weak area on the Marlin that should crack but it doesn't. The frame area you are referring to on the Henry also has significant depth and is highly unlikely to suffer a stress crack in that location.
Good observation. Thanks.
0 x
Actions speak louder than words (Matthew 7:16-20).

User avatar
Mistered
Drover
Posts: 3372
Joined: Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:32 pm
Location: Wickiup Junction, OR
United States of America

Re: Potential Issue With The New Side Loaders

Post by Mistered » Tue May 14, 2019 6:06 pm

Looks like a non issue to me.
Hey, I sincerely hope this is the case!
0 x

User avatar
Mags
Ranch Foreman
Posts: 6883
Joined: Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:40 pm
Location: Tualatin Valley Oregon
United States of America

Re: Potential Issue With The New Side Loaders

Post by Mags » Tue May 14, 2019 6:31 pm

.
On that, Yup! The rest, words in the air.
CT_Shooter wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 5:48 pm
Since HRA stands solidly behind their products, ... No speculation is required.
0 x
UPDATES: OR passes 114, "one of strictest gun control measures in U.S." https://henryrifleforums.com/viewtopic. ... 34#p213234

User avatar
Mags
Ranch Foreman
Posts: 6883
Joined: Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:40 pm
Location: Tualatin Valley Oregon
United States of America

Re: Potential Issue With The New Side Loaders

Post by Mags » Tue May 14, 2019 6:37 pm

.
It's raining here today :(
GFK wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 6:00 pm
Mags wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 5:41 pm
.
'Speculating' is a lot of what we all do here. Keeps goings on stimulating and interesting.
...[long winded boredom]...
Somebody is bored. It might be time to do some shooting? :D
0 x
UPDATES: OR passes 114, "one of strictest gun control measures in U.S." https://henryrifleforums.com/viewtopic. ... 34#p213234

Post Reply