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Re: Old Army

Post by Mistered » Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:14 pm

I still enjoy BP alot.
So do I - I have a replica Zouave .58, a replica Navy .36 and last year I was given an early T/C Renegade that had suffered from lack of care and had rusted up pretty well but after a long, drawn out and careful rust removal I got it back into working order and shooting very well. First pic is the muzzle area when I got it. and the 2nd and 3rd are after completion. The breech area and barrel was really bad but came out pretty well I think. The targets speak for themselves. After getting it 'dialed in' the Coke cup was the final shot of the day at 100 yards kneeling .
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Re: Old Army

Post by SingleAction357 » Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:15 pm

North Country Gal wrote:Glad to hear some effort is being made to get more folks to shoot traditional BP. Up here, the in-lines really killed any interest in traditional. Most gunshops no longer even take traditional BP guns in on trade. Just can't sell them.

The old army kicks the butt of those in line pistols. If they bumped it up to a 5 shot .50 cal and had it take 209 primers there'd be no reason for an in line pistol.
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Re: Old Army

Post by Mistered » Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:57 pm

Glad to hear some effort is being made to get more folks to shoot traditional BP. Up here, the in-lines really killed any interest in traditional.
Same here. Inlines are only a vague vestige to true muzzle loading. All they did was to offer the typical centerfire hunter a simple way to access a black powder hunt in addition to his or her normal hunting season. Inline users have no connection to traditional black powder shooting or hunting whatsoever. I vehemently blame the manufacturers for this.
Several years ago Oregon made a sudden change to the BP laws and dramatically changed them to basically only allowing 'traditional' rifles for hunting (open ignition, loose powder, ball or conical etc.) but since 'relaxed' them and once again included inline type actions as legal. PO'd me OFF!
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Re: Old Army

Post by North Country Gal » Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:14 pm

I used to shoot an Encore 209x50 in line setup, just for kicks, because I was already shooting Encores and those 209x50 ML barrels can be had for a bargain. Using 110 grains of Blackhorn 209 (heavy load) and TC and Barnes sabots, I had no problem getting one inch 5 shot groups at 100 yards and could even keep that MOA out to 200 yards on a good day. Blackhorn 209 powder has also been a game changer in the in-line world. No need to swab between shots. Shoot as many shots as you want. First load goes in as easy as the 20th. Go home and use standard solvents and cleaning methods, just like any other gun.

Calling these guns "primitive", then, is just plain ridiculous. The only thing they have in common with traditional MLs is that they also load though the muzzle. I dropped the Encore 209x50 shooting, not because of lack of accuracy or power (right there with a 45-70 stout load) or performance (right there with any centerfire bolt gun), but because it was a very expensive way to shoot. That powder and those sabots are NOT cheap.
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Re: Old Army

Post by SingleAction357 » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:36 pm

I think an Old Army that accepts 209 primers would make in line pistols obsolete for hunters. In theory they should be able to handle Blackhorn 209 as well.
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Re: Old Army

Post by GFK » Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:09 pm

Mistered wrote:
I still enjoy BP alot.
So do I - I have a replica Zouave .58, a replica Navy .36 and last year I was given an early T/C Renegade that had suffered from lack of care and had rusted up pretty well but after a long, drawn out and careful rust removal I got it back into working order and shooting very well. First pic is the muzzle area when I got it. and the 2nd and 3rd are after completion. The breech area and barrel was really bad but came out pretty well I think. The targets speak for themselves. After getting it 'dialed in' the Coke cup was the final shot of the day at 100 yards kneeling .
Nice work.
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