Copper Fouling

[JEBar]

shooting at the ranges I have available sure uncomplicates the process .. .. I put the cross hairs on what I'm shooting at and pull the trigger .... most of the time the bullet hits close enough to ring a gong, be very close to the target or drop a critter ..

[GunnyGene]

shooting at the ranges I have available sure uncomplicates the process .. .. I put the cross hairs on what I'm shooting at and pull the trigger .... most of the time the bullet hits close enough to ring a gong, be very close to the target or drop a critter ..

It's also a whole lot cheaper. Some folks will spend upwards of $30,000 on a ELR set up, not counting ammo (which can be $5-$20/rnd). Definitely a rich mans sport - or a military specialty that the taxpayers fund. Thanks, btw.

[Rifletom]

10-4 on big game hunting accuracy .... I purchased the 300 back when I was deer hunting "down east" in a club that literally leased fields that were a square mile or more in size .... prior to joining that club my "reach out and touch something" rifle was a BLR 308 .... it had served me well when hunting areas were 100 yards was a long shot and most were less than 50 .... in thinking back, I wish I'd of taken advantage of the opportunity to set targets out at long ranges and fire at them .... the mods mentioned earlier include one that eliminates muzzle jump .... that allowed me to actually see the bullet hit last two deer taken with it .... back then I did didn't own a range finder and my distance judgement looking over flat fields isn't very good .... about all I can say with certainty is both were over 100 but less than 200 yards .... I don't have any need much less any expectation of single bullet hole accuracy at any distance but I'd sure like to find out how she'll perform at long ranges

Anyone who has even limited shooting experience knows that accuracy and precision over a range of distances is all about angular spread, but new shooters often don't realize that. I've known new shooters that expect the same group size at 500 yds that they get at 50 yds until you explain it to them.

That last sentence is SO true. Some shooters[new] really expect this. Then they get pretty humbled when they shoot at 100yards and the group is ok or even good. Then they try their hand at say, 300 yards. That's when the muttering starts.
I have not shot in competition, but have gone to some matches in So-Cal and watched those guys. Impressive!

[GunnyGene]

That last sentence is SO true. Some shooters[new] really expect this. Then they get pretty humbled when they shoot at 100yards and the group is ok or even good. Then they try their hand at say, 300 yards. That's when the muttering starts.
I have not shot in competition, but have gone to some matches in So-Cal and watched those guys. Impressive!

At longer ranges - even as little as 500 yds - a miss is literally only a heartbeat away.

Many people could benefit by the information contained in this :

USMC Rifle Data book. Adapt as necessary for different optics/rifles.

https://www.lejeune.marines.mil/Portals ... tabook.pdf

[GFK]

That last sentence is SO true. Some shooters[new] really expect this. Then they get pretty humbled when they shoot at 100yards and the group is ok or even good. Then they try their hand at say, 300 yards. That's when the muttering starts.
I have not shot in competition, but have gone to some matches in So-Cal and watched those guys. Impressive!

At longer ranges - even as little as 500 yds - a miss is literally only a heartbeat away.

Many people could benefit by the information contained in this :

USMC Rifle Data book. Adapt as necessary for different optics/rifles.

https://www.lejeune.marines.mil/Portals ... tabook.pdf

Interesting and thanks! The first few pages are helpful for me. I am just planning to do deer hunting with a 30-30 at the most. So, my max range should be no more than 200 yards, which my Marlin and Henry should work fine.

[JEBar]

history has proven a 30-30 to be a very capable deer hunting round .... on a personal level, I wouldn't hesitate to use our old Model 94 with its OEM buckhorn sights to take deer at 100 yards .... don't believe I'd be comfortable trying to make a clean kill a 200 yards .... but that's a statement on me, not one on the caliber

[GunnyGene]

That last sentence is SO true. Some shooters[new] really expect this. Then they get pretty humbled when they shoot at 100yards and the group is ok or even good. Then they try their hand at say, 300 yards. That's when the muttering starts.
I have not shot in competition, but have gone to some matches in So-Cal and watched those guys. Impressive!

At longer ranges - even as little as 500 yds - a miss is literally only a heartbeat away.

Many people could benefit by the information contained in this :

USMC Rifle Data book. Adapt as necessary for different optics/rifles.

https://www.lejeune.marines.mil/Portals ... tabook.pdf

Interesting and thanks! The first few pages are helpful for me. I am just planning to do deer hunting with a 30-30 at the most. So, my max range should be no more than 200 yards, which my Marlin and Henry should work fine.

Both are fully capable of accurate placement and terminal energy at those ranges. And I'm sure you are also capable of taking deer at those ranges. Have a good hunt.

[GFK]

At longer ranges - even as little as 500 yds - a miss is literally only a heartbeat away.

Many people could benefit by the information contained in this :

USMC Rifle Data book. Adapt as necessary for different optics/rifles.

https://www.lejeune.marines.mil/Portals ... tabook.pdf

Interesting and thanks! The first few pages are helpful for me. I am just planning to do deer hunting with a 30-30 at the most. So, my max range should be no more than 200 yards, which my Marlin and Henry should work fine.

Both are fully capable of accurate placement and terminal energy at those ranges. And I'm sure you are also capable of taking deer at those ranges. Have a good hunt.

Thanks!

[GFK]

history has proven a 30-30 to be a very capable deer hunting round .... on a personal level, I wouldn't hesitate to use our old Model 94 with its OEM buckhorn sights to take deer at 100 yards .... don't believe I'd be comfortable trying to make a clean kill a 200 yards .... but that's a statement on me, not one on the caliber

I agree JEBar. 100 yards with buckhorn would be my max as well. With a scope, I would use a 30-30 out to 200 yards. As you mentioned, shot placement is must.

[Rifletom]

Just a little tid-bit about copper fouling/cleaning. For light copper fouling, I've made 50-50 mix of Kroil and Hoppe's #9.
A wet patch or two thru the bore, let it set for a while; 20-30 minutes, then regular cleaning methods we use. This has worked rather well. Truth be told, I've not had any heavy copper fouling. But, that 50-50 mix works for me.