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Re: Indoor and target PCP, AA T200

Post by John E Davies » Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:47 pm

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The Umarex 850 M2 looks like what I want but being a novice when it comes to airguns is it not recommended to leave a partially used CO2 cartridge in the gun
I wonder why? Maybe possible rust where the needle punctures the end cap? I personally would not worry if it was just a few days. PCP guns OTH are supposed to be stored with at least a little (dry) air in their tanks, to preserve the seals.

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Re: Indoor and target PCP, AA T200

Post by dave77 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:05 am

Did some searching and it seems it's ok to leave the co2 cartridges in for few weeks but not recommended for long term storage. I wonder if you should put some kind of lube on the seals for long term storage, I recently came across a pellet pistol that had not been shot for many years and a co2 cartridge would completely leak out almost immediately.

According to the seller of this single 12g cartridge adapter https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08F3GRSJ4/re ... NrPXRydWU= it will work in any air gun that uses 88g or 90g cartridges. Would rather get the Umarex double 12g adapter if it becomes available again. If I get the rifle I would probably be shooting it quite a bit at first so would probably get a couple of the 90g cartridges.
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Re: Indoor and target PCP, AA T200

Post by BigAl52 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:27 am

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I have a Crosman CO2 pistol. I have left Cartridges in it for a while and had no issues. I also place a drop of pellgun oil on the end of the cartridge before dropping it in the tube. Those Umarex CO2 adapters are around I have found some on ebay but the price is higher than the 29.95 Umarex wants for them. I also have found at Midway those 90g cartridges are 15.00 a pair. Thats the cheapest I have found them. What caliber are you considering Dave?
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Re: Indoor and target PCP, AA T200

Post by dave77 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:10 am

I was thinking .22 There's a combo deal on Amazon, for the same price as the gun alone on Umarex's site you get an extra magazine, 2 88g co2 cartridges, and a tin of pellets so about a $60 savings but only available in .22. After reading North Country Gal's post about .22 vs .177 maybe it's better to spend the extra and get a .177 from Umarex's site.

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Re: Indoor and target PCP, AA T200

Post by North Country Gal » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:33 am

Lots to consider on the choice of caliber, but in the end personal preference usually decides. One thing that you should consider in CO2 or PCP, though, is that you will get more shots per fill in 177. If budget is a concern, 177 cal pellets are cheaper, better selection and are the ones you're more likely to find on a local basis. If you just prefer 22s, though, that's plenty good enough a reason to go 22. Shooting costs might be a bit higher, but we're not talking about breaking the bank, here.
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Re: Indoor and target PCP, AA T200

Post by dave77 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:31 pm

Not as much savings as I thought getting it from Amazon, have to pay $30 sales tax there while no sales tax at Umarex. Also read some reviews and they said Umarex.com was excellent, very helpful if any problems. So now I'm thinking .177. Site says .117 is 150 fps faster than .22, is that what gives it the flatter trajectory?

I really have no preference, will just be plinking, some paper targets and maybe the occasional rat or mouse so .177 would probably be fine.
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Re: Indoor and target PCP, AA T200

Post by Sir Henry » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:52 pm

I’m torn between 17 and 22 also. I have no real reason to go 22 and Joanie has pointed out all the reasons for me to continue only with 17’s.
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Re: Indoor and target PCP, AA T200

Post by North Country Gal » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:15 pm

Yes, faster means flatter trajectory, alleles equal. The same power plant can push the lighter 17 cal pellets faster and also do it with less air in a CO2s or PCP. That's why you get more shots.

There are some diehard air gun hunters who actually prefer the 177 for small game hunting because of that flatter trajectory. Shot placement is everything in air gun hunting. The flatter trajectory of the 177 also is one of the reasons why it is the most popular caliber in Field Target where shots are at unmarked distances out to 50 plus yards.

The big advantage fo PCP is that you can adjust the power to shoot those big 22 and 25 cal pellets or slugs and push them up to that ideal 900 fps range. Means fewer shots if you use the same size reservoir, but all you have to do is use a larger reservoir to get more shots in the big calibers. PCPs have a ton of advantages for air gun hunting or long range work. Can't be touched in competition shooting.
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Re: Indoor and target PCP, AA T200

Post by BigAl52 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:48 pm

Faster and flatter doesnt necessarily give one more kill power where hunting goes. Even though the 22 is a little slower it will hit with more energy.
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Re: Indoor and target PCP, AA T200

Post by dave77 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:51 am

I hate having to make this kind of decision, almost wish they only made this rifle in one caliber. :?

What type of hunting would be better with .22?

Not really much small game to hunt around here. No rabbits, our squirrels are the small variety, not sure what else you would hunt around here. Used to be an abundance of ground hogs right in my backyard but haven't seen any for years. Probably only thing I would shoot would be rats or the occasional skunk. There are quite a few quail and doves around but not sure if it would be legal to shoot them with a pellet gun.
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