Deer Hunting, Bullet and FPS Suggestions for .45-70

[Cooper]

This deer season I am switching from a .30-06 bolt action to the Henry single shot H015, .45-70. I do not expect any shots to be greater than 75 yards and will hunting from a tree stand and expect the deer to be in and out of brush. I have mounted a Leupold 1-4x scope on the rifle.

I am trying to find the best bullet to kill the deer most effectively. I have loaded the Hornady 250 gr. MonoFlex, 300 gr. Hollow Point, and the 350 gr. Interlock Round Nose. I am using IMR 4198 and have loaded the bullets to travel around 1800 fps. I am still working on the best load for the rifle as well as the best bullet.

At these speeds are the bullets likely to exit the deer?

At what speeds should I expect the hollow point or a flex tip to expand?

What are other hunter's experiences with these bullets and their knock down power?

After zeroing the scope the other day, I shot the above bullets at 50 and 75 yards with about a 5" grouping, for the most part. Which doesn't seem too unreasonable to me.

Thanks!

[tarbe]

No personal experience with the Monoflex..so I'd only be speculating.

1,800 is a great MV for 300gr on deer at 75 yards and under. Unless you are shooting stem to stern, they will exit.

Here is a buck from last year, shot by my SIL with his Henry 45-70 and a 300gr Hornady at 40 yards (impact velocity about 1,650fps). It was a pass-through.

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[tarbe]

Here is the heart;

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The deer was walking when he shot and it went straight down!

[tarbe]

Lastly, I believe you will get quicker kills with the 300 on deer, as opposed to the 350.

The 350 is not only going to be going slower, it is constructed more stoutly, for heavier game. It will not transfer energy to the deer as quickly as the 300.

The 300 will give all the penetration you need on deer, and then some. Smack a deer in the boiler room with a 300 impacting anywhere from 1,500 to 1,800 and that deer is going down quickly. And quicker than hitting it in the same spot with the 350 at 1,400 to 1,700.

My $0.02 as always.

Now for elk or moose, the only 300gr I would use is the Barnes TSX. A 350gr North Fork or Swift A-Frame would also be good!

[JEBar]

for deer, black bear, and boar I fire a 300 gr Nosler Ballistic Silvertip https://shop.nosler.com/ballistic-silve ... -50ct.html , pushed by 51.5 gr of IMR 4198 .... per our chrony it leaves our Henry's barrel traveling in the neighborhood of 2,200 fps .... when Shooter's Pro Shop has them in stock http://www.shootersproshop.com/nosler-p ... -50ct.html , I buy bunches

[BigAl52]

Agree with Jim that 300gr Nosler silver tip is a great bullet. Id not be afraid to use it all the way to moose.

[BruniX]

The 350 is not only going to be going slower, it is constructed more stoutly, for heavier game. It will not transfer energy to the deer as quickly as the 300.

The 300 will give all the penetration you need on deer, and then some. Smack a deer in the boiler room with a 300 impacting anywhere from 1,500 to 1,800 and that deer is going down quickly. And quicker than hitting it in the same spot with the 350 at 1,400 to 1,700.

hello,

i don't hunt and i am a nearly newbie on firearm...
i don't understand really why a more massive bullet will be less lethal than a smaller one...
Why the energy will not transfered as quickly as a lightweight bullet ?
because it will cross away the target without expand ?*

Also why 405 Gr bullet never founded in hollow point , example lyman mold #457193 , while a 330gr bullet like the lyman 457422 is hollow point ?
to heavy to expand ?

[GaHenryFan]

hello,

i don't hunt and i am a nearly newbie on firearm...
i don't understand really why a more massive bullet will be less lethal than a smaller one...
Why the energy will not transfered as quickly as a lightweight bullet ?
because it will cross away the target without expand ?*

Also why 405 Gr bullet never founded in hollow point , example lyman mold #457193 , while a 330gr bullet like the lyman 457422 is hollow point ?
to heavy to expand ?

A 405 gr ends up around 385gr as a hollow-point. They will definitely expand if the alloy is correct.

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[tarbe]

Gents

Let’s be careful not to get ourselves spinning in circles by mixing our data/comments up between jacketed and cast - two different discussions.

My comments were specific to jacketed bullets only!

Cast discussions will become more analytical regarding nose profile and Bhn.

The 300gr jacketed will have thinner jackets and softer cores, so can expand more readily on relatively light deer.

A 300 grain Hornady hollowpoint impacting a deer in the lungs at 1700 ft./s will kill that dear more quickly than a 500 grain Hornady impacting in the same spot at the same speed, despite the 500gr possessing more kinetic energy.

The 300gr kills quicker because it actually imparts more of its kinetic energy into tissue destruction, which is what kills animals.

[tarbe]

GaHenryFan

Nice boolit!

What is the Bhn and what was the impact velocity and impact medium?

Tim