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Re: S&W 67-1

Post by ESquared » Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:26 pm

GFK wrote:ESquared, I am assuming you are happy with either SA or DA? Curious, do you fair better with a pistol? Or, are you more of a rifle man?
By FAR, better with semi-auto pistols. Got my first Sig nearly 20 years ago and have had several more over the years, almost all the DA/SA classics, like 226, 229, 239. Started out in '99 with the P225, which I still have. Loved them all to varying degrees and got to be very handy with them all.

Within the last 12 months, I've gravitated toward some 1911s, and have a 45ACP and a 9mm, both bob-tail commanders. I shoot them better than the Sigs. Don't know whether it's the guns/workmanship or what, but I don't think I became a whiz-kid overnight. In fact, I'm sure that's not the case. So, SAO has found its place with me, and I swore for years I'd never go there.

Which gets back to your original question, the answer to which is, I'm good with both DA AND SA, but, for whatever reasons, have never mastered the vaunted wheelgun. Wanted to, bought and owned three of them now, and this is the third one out the door. Don't know why, but I'm waving the white flag at this, once and for all. I even installed a new mainspring and rebound spring in this one, hoping it would help, but it's not the gun, it's my head, at this point.

Henry and this place has made me a rifle-man, I'm happy to say, so life provides yet another tradeoff!
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Re: S&W 67-1

Post by GFK » Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:42 pm

I can understand. For me, I seem to handle the revolver better with a wider grip. The one I have came with a narrow grip. I keep it for years. Then, I had to use a revolver to certified as an escort for inmates in public. It had a wide rubber grip. With that grip, the revolver felt very comfortable in my hand. Enough though I handled .45s and 9mms while in the Navy, the revolver feels the most comfortable. But, I do like rifles. I shoot rifles more by far. I think, it's because of the reach out and touch you aspect.
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Re: S&W 67-1

Post by North Country Gal » Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:40 pm

ESquared wrote:
GFK wrote:ESquared, I am assuming you are happy with either SA or DA? Curious, do you fair better with a pistol? Or, are you more of a rifle man?
By FAR, better with semi-auto pistols. Got my first Sig nearly 20 years ago and have had several more over the years, almost all the DA/SA classics, like 226, 229, 239. Started out in '99 with the P225, which I still have. Loved them all to varying degrees and got to be very handy with them all.

Within the last 12 months, I've gravitated toward some 1911s, and have a 45ACP and a 9mm, both bob-tail commanders. I shoot them better than the Sigs. Don't know whether it's the guns/workmanship or what, but I don't think I became a whiz-kid overnight. In fact, I'm sure that's not the case. So, SAO has found its place with me, and I swore for years I'd never go there.

Which gets back to your original question, the answer to which is, I'm good with both DA AND SA, but, for whatever reasons, have never mastered the vaunted wheelgun. Wanted to, bought and owned three of them now, and this is the third one out the door. Don't know why, but I'm waving the white flag at this, once and for all. I even installed a new mainspring and rebound spring in this one, hoping it would help, but it's not the gun, it's my head, at this point.

Henry and this place has made me a rifle-man, I'm happy to say, so life provides yet another tradeoff!
There is something to this shooting or, for a better word, "shoot-ability" advantage of a semi auto. I know, I know, it may come as a shock for some of you to hear this, coming from a revolver nut like me, but it's true. Semi-autos have some features that help you shoot, better.

One, of course, is the minimal sight disruption on follow up shots for the semi-auto. Being able to maintain the exact same grip without having to change pressure points on the grip for every shot with a gun that cocks itself is a shooting advantage. Having those sights instantly back on target is also a shooting advantage. I find that when I get in that "semi-auto" groove, I can just keep pouring shot after shot into the target by coordinating my trigger break with the sights as soon as they line back up on target. My offhand scores do, indeed, tend to be better with semi-autos than with revolvers. I even notice this when shooting semi-auto rifles, at times.

Another advantage of the semi-auto is the more shooter friendly ergonomics. For instance, on my 1911s in 45 auto, the center line of the bore lies a scant 1" above my trigger finger. When shooting my S&W 625 in 45 auto revolver, that bore line is a full 2 1/2" above my trigger finger, meaning that bad trigger technique will usually pull the bore farther off the target with the revolver than with the semi auto.

The grips on semi-autos tend to lock your hand into one position more consistently than a revolver grip and the grip on semi autos also places your trigger finger in a better position for a straight back trigger pull. Using these same two guns as an example, when shooting my 1911, my trigger finger is in a perfect straight line, parallel to the bore. When shooting my 625 revolver, using a high grip which is regarded as the best for shooting a revolver, my trigger finger points down at an angle to the trigger.

Okay, not telling anyone to rush out and trade their revolver in for a Glock or a 1911, but there is a reason semi-autos have long dominated in bullseye target competition, even though that sport is open to revolvers, too. Same in many of the action shooting sports that allow the use of both types of handguns. All in all, when I hear people say they can pick up a semi-auto pistol and shoot it better than a revolver, then, I am not surprised. Worked that way for me, way back when I picked up my first semi-auto, a Ruger Mark Standard, after learning how to shoot handguns with a revolver. Amazed me how much better I could shoot that old Ruger Standard.
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Re: S&W 67-1

Post by ESquared » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:34 pm

^^^^^^
What she said.
Even though Sigs are notorious (at least among Glock fans) of having a "high bore axis," that's all I'd ever known until my recent 1911 adventures. And what she'd describing rings true for me in terms of "shoot-ability."
Thanks for that, NCG! Not only could I not have put it better myself, I couldn't have put it at all, not in those terms.
Just glad to know it's not just in my head!
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Re: S&W 67-1

Post by GFK » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:40 pm

I haven't taking the opportunity to shoot a pistol at leisure yet. My experiences with pistols have been for qualifications. Toward the end of my career, we had to be certified as a marksman to carry a 9mm. So, I was shooting under a gun so to speak. I can understand a rhythm with a semi-auto though. That's what I felt when shooting a M16. It was a nice slow rocking motion. I guess it could also be a personal preference thing. I just have not warmed up to a pistol thus far. Maybe, I watched too many cowboys movies?
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Re: S&W 67-1

Post by Travlin » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:29 pm

The issue that I have with semi auto handguns is that by design they throw brass all over. Being a handloader, scattered and possibly damaged brass is not a good thing. I do enjoy shooting my pre-war Colt National Match .45 but would rather shoot it when there are no others shooting a .45 A.C.P. pistol nearby.
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Re: S&W 67-1

Post by North Country Gal » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:23 am

Travlin wrote:The issue that I have with semi auto handguns is that by design they throw brass all over. Being a handloader, scattered and possibly damaged brass is not a good thing. I do enjoy shooting my pre-war Colt National Match .45 but would rather shoot it when there are no others shooting a .45 A.C.P. pistol nearby.
Amen to that. Chasing brass is NOT fun. Getting hit by brass from another shooter is even less fun.
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Re: S&W 67-1

Post by Mags » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:27 pm

[Update] Should have searched first. I see there are catchers.

https://www.google.com/search?q=brass+c ... fox-b-1-ab

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Re: S&W 67-1

Post by ESquared » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:16 pm

I've read posts (elsewhere) from 1911 snobs who claim their rigs are so well-tuned that the brass just accumulates in a neat, little pile for later retrieval.

Mostly baloney, but I have learned that brass flying back in your own face is an indicator that something is askew somewhere (extractor/extractor springs, mainly).

And, we've probably all been victims of the shooter at the range in the next lane over who either has the longest arms ever seen and/or is standing so are forward that we ALL can see his muzzle blast, from who we get sprayed with casings. That's why God invented Range Safety Officers, in my book.
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Re: S&W 67-1

Post by Mistered » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:09 pm

There is something to this shooting or, for a better word, "shoot-ability" advantage of a semi auto.
NCG is correct on all fronts with regard to semi autos And I would like to add another element of this - the essential quality and design of the particular Semi auto being shot. For example a modern, ‘name brand’ 1911 can either have (or be made to have) An excellent trigger due to not only the inherent design of the trigger but the fact it is a single action design. Not all single action Semis have good triggers but for the most part a Single action will shoot better than a double action due to the lack of ‘take up’ and even then can still have a pretty good trigger.
My CZ 75BD for example has a fairly decent trigger after the take up. The creep could be a little less but still not bad. An IMI Desert Eagle 9mm I once had (which was double action) had one of the best triggers of any semi auto I have ever owned or shot with the least amount of take up - including on the first double action shot.
The only exception to this will be with ‘newer’ striker fired guns some of which have the worst triggers of all. Early Glocks were pretty bad but they have gotten better and some of the ‘higher end’ strikers are not bad but no striker fired gun will ever have say the trigger quality of a good 1911, CZ, Sig or other hammer fired semi.
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